Let's move on

On Aug 14, 7:59*pm, "Tim" wrote:
"Viperdoc" wrote



For the real pilots and students, I suggest joining Pilots of America, a
moderated group. It is what this NG used to be, before it was ruined by
Anthony and his likes.

It wasn't so much ruined by Mx as much as those who cannot take a pass on
endlessly arguing with him over some ridiculous detail, or have made it
their mission to expose him as a non-pilot, all with the seemingly honorable
goal of protecting the helpless student who might read something here and
then die as a result.

What a crock. *Anyone with half a brain knows how to treat information
posted on a newsgroup, or anywhere else online for that matter. *They don't
need help from a few crusaders.


I tend to agree. But I refuse to respond to him , not because he is
not a pilot or because he poses a risk to students or that he wants to
engage in endless argument, there are others that do that also. I
dont mind a robust debate myself ,its all part of the learning
process. No I just refuse to debate with him simply because of his
intellectually dishonesty ( some would say disability). If I have a
debate I expect the outcome to be one of 3 possibilities.

1. I have been proved wrong and I acknowledge that and appreciate the
fact that
I have learned something
2. I have proved the other person wrong, and they acknowledge that
and I gain
some personal satisfaction that I have helped someone, and that
perhaps
in 200 or so hours of piloting an aeroplane I might have actually
learned a thing
or two. .
3. The debate is about something that there is no right or wrong
answer and both
parties agree to disagree.

The outcome of a debate with Mxs is rarely any of the above the 3.
He has a total inability to admit he is wrong. He will either deny it
or try to deceitfully change the topic of what was disagreed with.
He is just a total waste of oxygen. Its a free choice of course but I
highly reccommend the ignore approach.
Terry
PPL Downunder

The ignore approach has been advocated, but there will always be someone who
takes the bait, and this starts the endless cycle again.

Hey, I could care less whether anyone chooses to lurk here and watch the
repetitive and useless interaction with someone who has no experience and
nothing to offer. I simply offered the alternative, which is Pilots of
America, and other boards, that are actually focused on aviation related
topics, and not Anthony.

On Aug 14, 5:57*am, "Viperdoc" The ignore approach has been
advocated, but there will always be someone who
takes the bait, and this starts the endless cycle again.

Sad isnt it ? Agree 101 % that the attention starved doofus would just
go away if no one responded.

I simply offered the alternative, which is Pilots of
America, and other boards, that are actually focused on aviation related
topics, and not Anthony.

Im gonna respectfully disagree on the POA argument. I have made a few
passes through that board (And others) and here is what I have
noticed. First, this seems to be a close knit group of mostly East
Coast pilots who all get together on occasion . While this is good for
them, for the rest of us it amounts to a large quantity of non
aviation related "Small talk" amongst aquantances that wouldnt hold
anyone elses intrest. Second, the level of expertertise and experience
over there seems to be quite a bit lower than over here. Once again,
this is good for small talk but if you want meaningfull aviation
discussion you might keep looking. You can post just about any
response you want on POA no mater how inaccurate as long as you dont
flame or use expletitives . In fact, they have their own versions of
MX over there. They are the ones who know anything about everything
and a couple of them sugest or imply much more experience in much
bigger airplanes than what they actually have, just like our well
known troll. Take a look at the post counters and you can see members
with thousands of posts and many of the high post count members also
have the least meaningful (Aviation wise) content.
I am begining to think that it is just the nature of these groups.
FB

F. Baum writes:

I am begining to think that it is just the nature of these groups.

It is human nature.

The value of POA is that Anthony isn't there and wouldn't be tolerated. He
single handedly is primarily responsible for the demise of this group.

The value of POA is that Anthony isn't there and wouldn't be tolerated.
He single handedly is primarily responsible for the demise of this group.

Sorry, Doc -- gotta disagree there. This group could've easily withstood a
hundred years of MX-types -- but it only took a few months for the more
vitriolic trolls (Bertie and Maxwell) to completely destroy it.

Whatever you blame its demise on, you're right on regarding Pilots of
America. It's like a breath of fresh air over there, full of helpful,
knowledgeable, friendly and respectful pilots and learned conversation about
piloting. In fact, it smells just like this newsgroup used to smell, before
the trolls decided to wallow here.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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Viperdoc wrote:
The value of POA is that Anthony isn't there and wouldn't be tolerated.
He single handedly is primarily responsible for the demise of this
group.

Sorry, Doc -- gotta disagree there. This group could've easily withstood
a
hundred years of MX-types -- but it only took a few months for the more
vitriolic trolls (Bertie and Maxwell) to completely destroy it.

I agree with Viperdoc that MX is responsible for the demise of this group.

Atkielski is a cancer. He admits he's been trolling for decades, and he is
very good at it. He chooses his words very carefully, with the sole purpose
to irritate.

He's a selfish little prick with no absolutely no redeeming value.

Bertie and Maxwell are simply secondary infections. When someone dies from
cancer, a secondary infection (or heart failure, or whatever) is what kills
them. Without Atkielski poisoning these groups, Bertie and Maxwell would
have never thrived.

On Aug 14, 9:46*pm, "Jay Honeck" wrote:

Whatever you blame its demise on, you're right on regarding Pilots of
America. *It's like a breath of fresh air over there, full of helpful,
knowledgeable, friendly and respectful pilots and learned conversation about
piloting. *

Jay, be careful with the "knowlegible, helpful" stuff. I would say
that from a pure aviation knowlege standpoint that list is no better
and certainly worse in many ways than what you get over here. I am not
to good at pinning down human nature but as I see it, many pilots come
to these groups to discuss thier hobby of flying. Unfortunatly for
some, these forums sorta become the hobby. POA , seems to be full of
these types. Look at the guys with thousands of posts and you will see
what I mean. There is some good aviation content over there to be
sure, but I dont see the signal to noise ratio any better than this
place and (If you exclude all the MX stuff) probably much worse.
There is alot of good people here, and a few attention starved "flying
squirells"(My own term). The big difference on POA is that no one
Is gonna tell the squirells to **** off ,as Dudley would say. Both
good and bad I guess )))))

"terry" wrote

The outcome of a debate with Mxs is rarely any of the above the 3.
He has a total inability to admit he is wrong. He will either deny it
or try to deceitfully change the topic of what was disagreed with.

Terry
PPL Downunder


Right, and everyone here knows it. The mystery is why anyone would attempt
to prove a point one way or another with him when they know this going in,
and yet the same people do it over and over and over again.

On Aug 14, 8:14*am, "Tim" wrote:
"terry" wrote

The outcome of a debate with Mxs is rarely any of the above the 3.
He has a total inability to admit he is wrong. *He will either deny it
or try to deceitfully change the topic of what was disagreed with.

Terry
PPL Downunder

Right, and everyone here knows it. *The mystery is why anyone would attempt
to prove a point one way or another with him when they know this going in,
and yet the same people do it over and over and over again.

I've played with the troll, but it's stopped being fun. He and the
threads have gotten boring.