Let's move on

Absolutely true. Maybe the group needs a "vacation" where the trolls get
bored and move on to other groups for their trolling pleasure. Then the
value-add folks might slowly come back and the group might experience a
rebirth of activity. There must be some eco-system principles at work
here.

Sadly, I've seen precisely this happen with Bertie here recently. When it's
apparent that he's completely killed the group, he goes into hibernation, or
(more diabolically) enters one of his more constructive phases where he
actually discusses aviation.

Right now he's noticeably absent, in case you haven't noticed. Either that
or NO ONE is responding to him, which seems unlikely.

His absence slowly lures people back into the newsgroup fold. Once some
number of users (known only to Bertie) have jumped back in the group, he
then resumes his inane 3-word personal attacks. His evil twin, Maxwell,
follows suit shortly thereafter.

It's disgustingly predictable, and kill files only cure half the problem.
(The other half being all the people who respond to their inane, 3-word
personal attack posts...)

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: This group would still be
thriving with TEN "MX-style" posters actively participating. But all it
took was two "Bertie-style" trolls to swiftly and efficiently kill it.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On Aug 16, 3:46 pm, "Jay Honeck" wrote:

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: This group would still be
thriving with TEN "MX-style" posters actively participating. But all it
took was two "Bertie-style" trolls to swiftly and efficiently kill it.

The group hasn't been killed.
Some posters do not suffer fools gladly and are only to happy to
demonstrate the fact.

Jay Honeck schrieb:
It's disgustingly predictable, and kill files only cure half the problem.
(The other half being all the people who respond to their inane, 3-word
personal attack posts...)

then killfile them, too.
here about 50% or more of all postings are wiped out by the killfile.

#m

then killfile them, too.
here about 50% or more of all postings are wiped out by the killfile.

I was here for ten years without needing a killfile. Now, the solution is
to killfile dozens of posters?

That illustrates just how far this group has fallen, Martin. How sad. IMHO
it's better to learn an awkward interface than to put up with this.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

In article FqApk.245644$TT4.98287@attbi_s22,
"Jay Honeck" wrote:

it's better to learn an awkward interface than to put up with this.

It would be even better to improve the lousy interface (but I'm not
holding my breath)

--
Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

"Jay Honeck" wrote in
news:FqApk.245644$TT4.98287@attbi_s22:

then killfile them, too.
here about 50% or more of all postings are wiped out by the killfile.

I was here for ten years without needing a killfile. Now, the
solution is to killfile dozens of posters?

That illustrates just how far this group has fallen, Martin. How sad.
IMHO it's better to learn an awkward interface than to put up with
this.

Run awya! run away!


Bertie

Jay Honeck schrieb:
then killfile them, too.
here about 50% or more of all postings are wiped out by the killfile.

I was here for ten years without needing a killfile. Now, the solution is
to killfile dozens of posters?

now, that's life IMHO. 20 years ago you might also have not locked your
front door, nowadays you'll probably lock up.

That illustrates just how far this group has fallen, Martin. How sad. IMHO
it's better to learn an awkward interface than to put up with this.

First it is good to use a newsserver that filters out the obvious crap
(EMP - excessive multiposts, HTML, binaries, ...), then you finetune to
what you seem appropriate using your killfile. Most likely you get rid
of 20% or more of the crap filtering out those postings coming in via
googlegroups, then it *might* also be a good idea filtering those using
a gmail-account.

#m

Martin Hotze wrote:
Jay Honeck schrieb:
then killfile them, too.
here about 50% or more of all postings are wiped out by the killfile.

I was here for ten years without needing a killfile. Now, the
solution is to killfile dozens of posters?

now, that's life IMHO. 20 years ago you might also have not locked your
front door, nowadays you'll probably lock up.

That illustrates just how far this group has fallen, Martin. How
sad. IMHO it's better to learn an awkward interface than to put up
with this.

First it is good to use a newsserver that filters out the obvious crap
(EMP - excessive multiposts, HTML, binaries, ...), then you finetune to
what you seem appropriate using your killfile. Most likely you get rid
of 20% or more of the crap filtering out those postings coming in via
googlegroups, then it *might* also be a good idea filtering those using
a gmail-account.

#m
The trouble with you is that you like lecturing people so much on these
forums you don't follow your own advice. For example, you have never
once since I've been on this forum, posted an aviation related post to
me, but you are a constant source of lecturing on how dis-satisfied you
are with my performance on the forum.
I would think that you, in your "infinite wisdom", would have kill filed
me a long time ago, but you haven't have you?
You sir, are simply one more part of the Usenet problem, not a solution :-)

--
Dudley Henriques

#m
The trouble with you is that you like lecturing people so much on these
forums you don't follow your own advice. For example, you have never once
since I've been on this forum, posted an aviation related post snip

Martin is an interesting newsgroup character. He never, EVER posts about
aviation, yet he's always here, on a piloting forum. It's kinda weird,
actually, although he can be a decent guy. Just don't bring up the U.S.,
and everything is fine.

And now, for some NAC: BTW, Dudley -- Mary and I flew the 'Coupe to nearby
Muscatine this evening, as a flight of two with friends. It was a gorgeous
summer's eve, flying (with the top down, natch) low and slow over the most
stunning emerald-green landscape you can imagine. After a great dinner we
landed back in Iowa City a few minutes past sunset, with the biggest moon
rising you can imagine.

Total cost: 3.9 gallons of unleaded mogas. Gotta love it!

I tell ya, we've never had so much fun as we've had with this little
Ercoupe...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:
#m
The trouble with you is that you like lecturing people so much on
these forums you don't follow your own advice. For example, you have
never once since I've been on this forum, posted an aviation related
post snip

Martin is an interesting newsgroup character. He never, EVER posts
about aviation, yet he's always here, on a piloting forum. It's kinda
weird, actually, although he can be a decent guy. Just don't bring up
the U.S., and everything is fine.

It is strange. He's injected himself in on me before; always with some
"advice" he thinks I need. He might well even be right but I don't play
well with people who do this kind of thing, but no big deal. :-)


And now, for some NAC: BTW, Dudley -- Mary and I flew the 'Coupe to
nearby Muscatine this evening, as a flight of two with friends. It was
a gorgeous summer's eve, flying (with the top down, natch) low and slow
over the most stunning emerald-green landscape you can imagine. After a
great dinner we landed back in Iowa City a few minutes past sunset, with
the biggest moon rising you can imagine.

Total cost: 3.9 gallons of unleaded mogas. Gotta love it!

I tell ya, we've never had so much fun as we've had with this little
Ercoupe...

The old Coupe is a wonderful airplane as I'm sure you have already
learned. It chugs along quite cheerfully on a dime. I have a few hours
in one that we had on the field. It was a lot of fun, sort of like a
car. I'd roll down the side window and just feel the breezes. We flew it
off a hard surface but it behaved a bit better on the grass.
The one thing I recall more than anything else was how low the nose was
when we had to prop it once in a while.

Looks like your son has taken to the bird with no trouble at all. Glad
you guys are getting some relief from the gas prices :-))



--
Dudley