FOR SALE NEW NK CLEAR NAV

On Sep 7, 4:46*am, AK wrote:
On Sep 6, 7:35*am, wrote:

We have one remaing "First Flight " early release CLEARNAV system *for
sale. Unit is ready to ship .
contact :

I would be first to buy if the instrument supported Borgelt varios.

Al,

The Craggy Aero Ultimate supports Borgelt Varios, B50, B500, CAI 302,
LX1600, or any NMEA GPS. Software WinPilot PRO or ADV.

Larger Screen , 4 times the resolution VGA, more processing power,
brighter adjustable display.

http://www.craggyaero.com/ultimate.htm

Shipping in October 2008.

Richard
www.craggyaero.com

On Sep 7, 6:47*am, Richard wrote:
The Craggy Aero Ultimate supports Borgelt Varios, B50, B500, *CAI 302,
LX1600, *or any NMEA GPS. *Software WinPilot PRO or ADV.

Larger Screen , 4 times the resolution VGA, more processing power,
brighter adjustable display.

http://www.craggyaero.com/ultimate.htm

Shipping in October 2008.

The fact that it is intended to support see you mobile is a major plus
as far as I'm concerned. The SeeYou team has a good history of
supporting their software and for being open to user suggestions.
Will that also be available in October? Will users be able to load
software updates obtained directly from the See You web site?

Andy

On Sep 10, 4:46*pm, Andy wrote:
On Sep 7, 6:47*am, Richard wrote:

The Craggy Aero Ultimate supports Borgelt Varios, B50, B500, *CAI 302,
LX1600, *or any NMEA GPS. *Software WinPilot PRO or ADV.

Larger Screen , 4 times the resolution VGA, more processing power,
brighter adjustable display.

http://www.craggyaero.com/ultimate.htm

Shipping in October 2008.

The fact that it is intended to support see you mobile is a major plus
as far as I'm concerned. *The SeeYou team has a good history of
supporting their software and for being open to user suggestions.
Will that also be available in October? Will users be able to load
software updates obtained directly from the See You web site?

Andy

Naviter has said they will support the Ultimate Platform, but have not
give a date. It will be a new software package specific to the
Ulitimate operating system. Current users probalby will not be able
to transfer their license. I believe users will be able to update
from the SeeYou site or my web site.

Thanks for your interest.

Richard
www.craggyaero.com

So, Richard, what operating system does it use? I'm presuming is isn't
"Windows Vista Ultimate" due to the hardware requirements for Vista. Google
doesn't turn up any other "Ultimate Operating System".

FWIW, Winpilot at one time (and maybe still) delivered a fully functional
Win32 version along with the PDA version. GPS_LOG Win CE does this too.
All you need to run the Win32 versions is a computer with an X86 compatible
processor running some version of the Windows OS.

I often run GPS_LOG in one window on my desktop and SeeYou or Condor in
another. I use a loopback serial cable to transfer NMEA data from SeeYor or
Condor from Com1 to Com2 where GPS_LOG picks it up and displays it. It's a
great way to learn PDA software.

Bill D


"Richard" wrote in message
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On Sep 10, 4:46 pm, Andy wrote:
On Sep 7, 6:47 am, Richard wrote:

The Craggy Aero Ultimate supports Borgelt Varios, B50, B500, CAI 302,
LX1600, or any NMEA GPS. Software WinPilot PRO or ADV.

Larger Screen , 4 times the resolution VGA, more processing power,
brighter adjustable display.

http://www.craggyaero.com/ultimate.htm

Shipping in October 2008.

The fact that it is intended to support see you mobile is a major plus
as far as I'm concerned. The SeeYou team has a good history of
supporting their software and for being open to user suggestions.
Will that also be available in October? Will users be able to load
software updates obtained directly from the See You web site?

Andy

Naviter has said they will support the Ultimate Platform, but have not
give a date. It will be a new software package specific to the
Ulitimate operating system. Current users probalby will not be able
to transfer their license. I believe users will be able to update
from the SeeYou site or my web site.

Thanks for your interest.

Richard
www.craggyaero.com

I tried to buy a clearnav but missed it. I'm not sure it was the right
choice, as both it and the UP will require blocking other instruments
as they are really too big for most glider panels. I was hoping to rig
up some sort of flip-away mount, but recently I've come to suspect
that other options will become available in the near future.

Several of these devices you see coming out run Windows CE, from which
Windows Mobile is based. There is a fairly large market for Windows CE
based controllers/display nits for point of sale and similar
applications from which the ClearNav and presumably this one are
based. And leveraging existing technology is a good thing. Porting
Windows Mobile based applications like WinPilot and SeeYou Mobile to
these devices should be relatively easy.


Darryl

On Sep 10, 7:44*pm, "Bill Daniels" bildan@comcast-dot-net wrote:
So, Richard, what operating system does it use? *I'm presuming is isn't
"Windows Vista Ultimate" due to the hardware requirements for Vista. *Google
doesn't turn up any other "Ultimate Operating System".

FWIW, Winpilot at one time (and maybe still) delivered a fully functional
Win32 version along with the PDA version. *GPS_LOG Win CE does this too..
All you need to run the Win32 versions is a computer with an X86 compatible
processor running some version of the Windows OS.

I often run GPS_LOG in one window on my desktop and SeeYou or Condor in
another. *I use a loopback serial cable to transfer NMEA data from SeeYor or
Condor from Com1 to Com2 where GPS_LOG picks it up and displays it. *It's a
great way to learn PDA software.

Bill D

"Richard" wrote in message

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On Sep 10, 4:46 pm, Andy wrote:



On Sep 7, 6:47 am, Richard wrote:

The Craggy Aero Ultimate supports Borgelt Varios, B50, B500, CAI 302,
LX1600, or any NMEA GPS. Software WinPilot PRO or ADV.

Larger Screen , 4 times the resolution VGA, more processing power,
brighter adjustable display.

http://www.craggyaero.com/ultimate.htm

Shipping in October 2008.

The fact that it is intended to support see you mobile is a major plus
as far as I'm concerned. The SeeYou team has a good history of
supporting their software and for being open to user suggestions.
Will that also be available in October? Will users be able to load
software updates obtained directly from the See You web site?

Andy

Naviter has said they will support the Ultimate Platform, but have not
give a date. * It will be a new software package specific to the
Ulitimate operating system. * Current users probalby will not be able
to transfer their license. *I believe users will be able to update
from the SeeYou site or my web site.

Thanks for your interest.

Richardwww.craggyaero.com

Yes Darryl, that is exactly what I am thinking. The PDA's shortcoming
(small dim screens) which derive from the concept of something that
fits in your pocket and runs on batteries is being replaced by ever
more powerful auto GPS devices with larger and brighter screens
running Windows CE. Andrej Kolar has indicated that at some point
SeeYou Mobile will run on some or all of these, but not when. There
will be positives and negatives to this. A positive will be low cost;
one nice example costs $200 with built-in GPS. However, getting an
approved IGC file out of it will probably never happen. The clearnav
and UP seem like really nice gear for those who have the money and the
panel space, but perhaps other options will become available.


On Sep 10, 7:57*pm, Darryl Ramm wrote:
Several of these devices you see coming out run Windows CE, from which
Windows Mobile is based. There is a fairly large market for Windows CE
based controllers/display nits for point of sale and similar
applications from which the ClearNav and presumably this one are
based. And leveraging existing technology is a good thing. Porting
Windows Mobile based applications like WinPilot and SeeYou Mobile to
these devices should be relatively easy.

Darryl

On Sep 10, 7:57*pm, Darryl Ramm wrote:
Several of these devices you see coming out run Windows CE, from which
Windows Mobile is based. There is a fairly large market for Windows CE
based controllers/display nits for point of sale and similar
applications from which the ClearNav and presumably this one are
based. And leveraging existing technology is a good thing. Porting
Windows Mobile based applications like WinPilot and SeeYou Mobile to
these devices should be relatively easy.

Darryl

On Sep 10, 7:44*pm, "Bill Daniels" bildan@comcast-dot-net wrote:



So, Richard, what operating system does it use? *I'm presuming is isn't
"Windows Vista Ultimate" due to the hardware requirements for Vista. *Google
doesn't turn up any other "Ultimate Operating System".

FWIW, Winpilot at one time (and maybe still) delivered a fully functional
Win32 version along with the PDA version. *GPS_LOG Win CE does this too.
All you need to run the Win32 versions is a computer with an X86 compatible
processor running some version of the Windows OS.

I often run GPS_LOG in one window on my desktop and SeeYou or Condor in
another. *I use a loopback serial cable to transfer NMEA data from SeeYor or
Condor from Com1 to Com2 where GPS_LOG picks it up and displays it. *It's a
great way to learn PDA software.

Bill D

"Richard" wrote in message

...
On Sep 10, 4:46 pm, Andy wrote:

On Sep 7, 6:47 am, Richard wrote:

The Craggy Aero Ultimate supports Borgelt Varios, B50, B500, CAI 302,
LX1600, or any NMEA GPS. Software WinPilot PRO or ADV.

Larger Screen , 4 times the resolution VGA, more processing power,
brighter adjustable display.

http://www.craggyaero.com/ultimate.htm

Shipping in October 2008.

The fact that it is intended to support see you mobile is a major plus
as far as I'm concerned. The SeeYou team has a good history of
supporting their software and for being open to user suggestions.
Will that also be available in October? Will users be able to load
software updates obtained directly from the See You web site?

Andy

Naviter has said they will support the Ultimate Platform, but have not
give a date. * It will be a new software package specific to the
Ulitimate operating system. * Current users probalby will not be able
to transfer their license. *I believe users will be able to update
from the SeeYou site or my web site.

Thanks for your interest.

Richardwww.craggyaero.com- Hide quoted text -

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Daryll,

The Craggy Ultimate uses a windows CE operating system.
Unfortunately Porting
Windows Mobile based applications like WinPilot and SeeYou Mobile to
these devices is not relatively easy. I have this feedback from both
WinPilot and Naviter.


Richard
www.craggyaero.com

On Sep 11, 11:46*am, Richard wrote:
On Sep 10, 7:57*pm, Darryl Ramm wrote:



Several of these devices you see coming out run Windows CE, from which
Windows Mobile is based. There is a fairly large market for Windows CE
based controllers/display nits for point of sale and similar
applications from which the ClearNav and presumably this one are
based. And leveraging existing technology is a good thing. Porting
Windows Mobile based applications like WinPilot and SeeYou Mobile to
these devices should be relatively easy.

Darryl

On Sep 10, 7:44*pm, "Bill Daniels" bildan@comcast-dot-net wrote:

So, Richard, what operating system does it use? *I'm presuming is isn't
"Windows Vista Ultimate" due to the hardware requirements for Vista. *Google
doesn't turn up any other "Ultimate Operating System".

FWIW, Winpilot at one time (and maybe still) delivered a fully functional
Win32 version along with the PDA version. *GPS_LOG Win CE does this too.
All you need to run the Win32 versions is a computer with an X86 compatible
processor running some version of the Windows OS.

I often run GPS_LOG in one window on my desktop and SeeYou or Condor in
another. *I use a loopback serial cable to transfer NMEA data from SeeYor or
Condor from Com1 to Com2 where GPS_LOG picks it up and displays it. *It's a
great way to learn PDA software.

Bill D

"Richard" wrote in message

....
On Sep 10, 4:46 pm, Andy wrote:

On Sep 7, 6:47 am, Richard wrote:

The Craggy Aero Ultimate supports Borgelt Varios, B50, B500, CAI 302,
LX1600, or any NMEA GPS. Software WinPilot PRO or ADV.

Larger Screen , 4 times the resolution VGA, more processing power,
brighter adjustable display.

http://www.craggyaero.com/ultimate.htm

Shipping in October 2008.

The fact that it is intended to support see you mobile is a major plus
as far as I'm concerned. The SeeYou team has a good history of
supporting their software and for being open to user suggestions.
Will that also be available in October? Will users be able to load
software updates obtained directly from the See You web site?

Andy

Naviter has said they will support the Ultimate Platform, but have not
give a date. * It will be a new software package specific to the
Ulitimate operating system. * Current users probalby will not be able
to transfer their license. *I believe users will be able to update
from the SeeYou site or my web site.

Thanks for your interest.

Richardwww.craggyaero.com-Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Daryll,

The Craggy Ultimate uses a windows CE operating system.
Unfortunately *Porting
Windows Mobile based applications like WinPilot and SeeYou Mobile to
these devices is not relatively easy. *I have this feedback from both
WinPilot and Naviter.

Richardwww.craggyaero.com

Rchard

The meaning of the word relative is um err relative to something.
Relative to any other operating system I can think of, porting from
Windows Mobile to Windows CE is relatively easy. You clearly need to
make a choice of an appropriate Windows CE platform. Windows XP
Embedded, Windows XP, Windows Vista, OS/X, Linux or FreeBSD + GUI of
your choice, VxWorks, ..., ... are all going to be *much* harder.

Personally I'll pay much more attention to this space once Naviter has
SeeYou Mobile running on this class of devices. I'm getting old and
set in my ways and unwilling to change my software tools. Given the
space premium I also look forward to the day that a GUI flight
computer will fully include in one integrated package all soaring
specific instruments including a world class (C302 is my benchmark)
electronic audio vario, with inputs for gear warnings, etc. similar to
the 302. The display may be separate from the rest of the system, but
the display needs to be the display for as much as possible and the
system really needs to be properly integrated.

Darryl

I very much like the idea of a daylight readable screen and I am attracted
to the ClearNav and the Ultimate but they both puzzle me:

ClearNav - I don't understand the logic in having the GPS and logger
inside the display unit instead of in a compact panel mount
vario/gps/logger unit similar to the Cambridge 302. It may all make sense
if they come up with a very good and inexpensive compatible variometer.
Until then I'm out.

Ultimate - No matter how good the display I couldn't bring myself to pay
$2,500 (almost as much as the ClearNav) for a PDA replacement even
although it is bigger brighter and faster.

John Galloway