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On Sep 10, 7:57*pm, Darryl Ramm wrote:
Several of these devices you see coming out run Windows CE, from which Windows Mobile is based. There is a fairly large market for Windows CE based controllers/display nits for point of sale and similar applications from which the ClearNav and presumably this one are based. And leveraging existing technology is a good thing. Porting Windows Mobile based applications like WinPilot and SeeYou Mobile to these devices should be relatively easy. Darryl On Sep 10, 7:44*pm, "Bill Daniels" bildan@comcast-dot-net wrote: So, Richard, what operating system does it use? *I'm presuming is isn't "Windows Vista Ultimate" due to the hardware requirements for Vista. *Google doesn't turn up any other "Ultimate Operating System". FWIW, Winpilot at one time (and maybe still) delivered a fully functional Win32 version along with the PDA version. *GPS_LOG Win CE does this too. All you need to run the Win32 versions is a computer with an X86 compatible processor running some version of the Windows OS. I often run GPS_LOG in one window on my desktop and SeeYou or Condor in another. *I use a loopback serial cable to transfer NMEA data from SeeYor or Condor from Com1 to Com2 where GPS_LOG picks it up and displays it. *It's a great way to learn PDA software. Bill D "Richard" wrote in message ... On Sep 10, 4:46 pm, Andy wrote: On Sep 7, 6:47 am, Richard wrote: The Craggy Aero Ultimate supports Borgelt Varios, B50, B500, CAI 302, LX1600, or any NMEA GPS. Software WinPilot PRO or ADV. Larger Screen , 4 times the resolution VGA, more processing power, brighter adjustable display. http://www.craggyaero.com/ultimate.htm Shipping in October 2008. The fact that it is intended to support see you mobile is a major plus as far as I'm concerned. The SeeYou team has a good history of supporting their software and for being open to user suggestions. Will that also be available in October? Will users be able to load software updates obtained directly from the See You web site? Andy Naviter has said they will support the Ultimate Platform, but have not give a date. * It will be a new software package specific to the Ulitimate operating system. * Current users probalby will not be able to transfer their license. *I believe users will be able to update from the SeeYou site or my web site. Thanks for your interest. Richardwww.craggyaero.com- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Daryll, The Craggy Ultimate uses a windows CE operating system. Unfortunately Porting Windows Mobile based applications like WinPilot and SeeYou Mobile to these devices is not relatively easy. I have this feedback from both WinPilot and Naviter. Richard www.craggyaero.com |
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On Sep 11, 11:46*am, Richard wrote:
On Sep 10, 7:57*pm, Darryl Ramm wrote: Several of these devices you see coming out run Windows CE, from which Windows Mobile is based. There is a fairly large market for Windows CE based controllers/display nits for point of sale and similar applications from which the ClearNav and presumably this one are based. And leveraging existing technology is a good thing. Porting Windows Mobile based applications like WinPilot and SeeYou Mobile to these devices should be relatively easy. Darryl On Sep 10, 7:44*pm, "Bill Daniels" bildan@comcast-dot-net wrote: So, Richard, what operating system does it use? *I'm presuming is isn't "Windows Vista Ultimate" due to the hardware requirements for Vista. *Google doesn't turn up any other "Ultimate Operating System". FWIW, Winpilot at one time (and maybe still) delivered a fully functional Win32 version along with the PDA version. *GPS_LOG Win CE does this too. All you need to run the Win32 versions is a computer with an X86 compatible processor running some version of the Windows OS. I often run GPS_LOG in one window on my desktop and SeeYou or Condor in another. *I use a loopback serial cable to transfer NMEA data from SeeYor or Condor from Com1 to Com2 where GPS_LOG picks it up and displays it. *It's a great way to learn PDA software. Bill D "Richard" wrote in message .... On Sep 10, 4:46 pm, Andy wrote: On Sep 7, 6:47 am, Richard wrote: The Craggy Aero Ultimate supports Borgelt Varios, B50, B500, CAI 302, LX1600, or any NMEA GPS. Software WinPilot PRO or ADV. Larger Screen , 4 times the resolution VGA, more processing power, brighter adjustable display. http://www.craggyaero.com/ultimate.htm Shipping in October 2008. The fact that it is intended to support see you mobile is a major plus as far as I'm concerned. The SeeYou team has a good history of supporting their software and for being open to user suggestions. Will that also be available in October? Will users be able to load software updates obtained directly from the See You web site? Andy Naviter has said they will support the Ultimate Platform, but have not give a date. * It will be a new software package specific to the Ulitimate operating system. * Current users probalby will not be able to transfer their license. *I believe users will be able to update from the SeeYou site or my web site. Thanks for your interest. Richardwww.craggyaero.com-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Daryll, The Craggy Ultimate uses a windows CE operating system. Unfortunately *Porting Windows Mobile based applications like WinPilot and SeeYou Mobile to these devices is not relatively easy. *I have this feedback from both WinPilot and Naviter. Richardwww.craggyaero.com Rchard The meaning of the word relative is um err relative to something. Relative to any other operating system I can think of, porting from Windows Mobile to Windows CE is relatively easy. You clearly need to make a choice of an appropriate Windows CE platform. Windows XP Embedded, Windows XP, Windows Vista, OS/X, Linux or FreeBSD + GUI of your choice, VxWorks, ..., ... are all going to be *much* harder. Personally I'll pay much more attention to this space once Naviter has SeeYou Mobile running on this class of devices. I'm getting old and set in my ways and unwilling to change my software tools. Given the space premium I also look forward to the day that a GUI flight computer will fully include in one integrated package all soaring specific instruments including a world class (C302 is my benchmark) electronic audio vario, with inputs for gear warnings, etc. similar to the 302. The display may be separate from the rest of the system, but the display needs to be the display for as much as possible and the system really needs to be properly integrated. Darryl |
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I very much like the idea of a daylight readable screen and I am attracted
to the ClearNav and the Ultimate but they both puzzle me: ClearNav - I don't understand the logic in having the GPS and logger inside the display unit instead of in a compact panel mount vario/gps/logger unit similar to the Cambridge 302. It may all make sense if they come up with a very good and inexpensive compatible variometer. Until then I'm out. Ultimate - No matter how good the display I couldn't bring myself to pay $2,500 (almost as much as the ClearNav) for a PDA replacement even although it is bigger brighter and faster. John Galloway |
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On Sep 11, 12:38*pm, John Galloway wrote:
I very much like the idea of a daylight readable screen and I am attracted to the ClearNav and the Ultimate but they both puzzle me: ClearNav - I don't understand the logic in having the GPS and logger inside the display unit instead of in a compact panel mount vario/gps/logger unit similar to the Cambridge 302. *It may all make sense if they come up with a very good and inexpensive compatible variometer. * Until then I'm out. Ultimate - No matter how good the display I couldn't bring myself to pay $2,500 (almost as much as the ClearNav) for a PDA replacement even although it is bigger brighter and faster. John Galloway The ClearNav folks clearly have a team capable of doing a world class vario/logger and say it's coming in 2009. Like you I don't fully understand the logic of what they've done so far -- I'd prefer to see a separate black box with GPS/logger/vario/airspeed/temp/undercarriage sensors etc. all in once place with the display providing just display and compute. Maybe support different version with basic GPS through to full vario etc. in the black box, and with a goal of easily upgrading either component over time as technology changes. When CleanNav comes out with a vario I hope they have an option to *not* have it panel mount. I would be out of space. A thin moving tape type display for the vario might work well down the side of the ClearNav for example. This becomes an issue when wanting to integrate third party software like SeeYou with a device like this. The desire to be integrated would mean you end up where it really is more than a port of existing software. Darryl |
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Anbody have side by side specs for the Ultimate and ClearNav? I
originally thought the Ultimate took more space and power; and seemed to offer less function for the same $s, as you mentioned. But this may be incorrect. Steve On Sep 11, 3:38*pm, John Galloway wrote: I very much like the idea of a daylight readable screen and I am attracted to the ClearNav and the Ultimate but they both puzzle me: ClearNav - I don't understand the logic in having the GPS and logger inside the display unit instead of in a compact panel mount vario/gps/logger unit similar to the Cambridge 302. *It may all make sense if they come up with a very good and inexpensive compatible variometer. * Until then I'm out. Ultimate - No matter how good the display I couldn't bring myself to pay $2,500 (almost as much as the ClearNav) for a PDA replacement even although it is bigger brighter and faster. John Galloway |
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Hi Steve,
You can see specs on the ClearNav he http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/nk.htm I'm curious about the user interface on the "Ultimate". I believe it is a trackball. I personally would prefer the keypad used on the ClearNav to a trackball. I find the ClearNav's keypad to be very easy to use. Also, the ClearNav is very much designed with "simple user-interface" as a key design consideration. I think it succeeds at that goal superbly. I predict that there will be many more ClearNav units sold than "Ultimate" systems. Also, NK is a first class company that will be creating many very nice soaring instruments in the near future and they (and I) will support the ClearNav extremely well. But I'm biased because I sell, support and am writing the manual for the ClearNav. Paul Remde Cumulus Soaring, Inc. http://www.cumulus-soaring.com "126Driver" wrote in message ... Anbody have side by side specs for the Ultimate and ClearNav? I originally thought the Ultimate took more space and power; and seemed to offer less function for the same $s, as you mentioned. But this may be incorrect. Steve On Sep 11, 3:38 pm, John Galloway wrote: I very much like the idea of a daylight readable screen and I am attracted to the ClearNav and the Ultimate but they both puzzle me: ClearNav - I don't understand the logic in having the GPS and logger inside the display unit instead of in a compact panel mount vario/gps/logger unit similar to the Cambridge 302. It may all make sense if they come up with a very good and inexpensive compatible variometer. Until then I'm out. Ultimate - No matter how good the display I couldn't bring myself to pay $2,500 (almost as much as the ClearNav) for a PDA replacement even although it is bigger brighter and faster. John Galloway |
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I disagree strongly, the controls should be clustered around the screen.
The remote is just an other piece of hardware attached to a wire flying around the cockpit. Naturally I can see and understand your bias. There are products that function much closer to my way of thinking and I am not bias. See http://www.triadis.ch Udo I find the ClearNav's keypad to be very easy to use. Also, the ClearNav is very much designed with "simple user-interface" as a key design consideration. I think it succeeds at that goal superbly. I predict that there will be many more ClearNav units sold than "Ultimate" systems. Also, NK is a first class company that will be creating many very nice soaring instruments in the near future and they (and I) will support the ClearNav extremely well. But I'm biased because I sell, support and am writing the |
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I think a touch screen as on PDA's is still the most useful.....letting you
look directly at what you are trying to change rather than looking down at a keypad, then back at a screen (and with all this going on attempting to look outside as well...too many places and not enough eyes..apparently so do PC Manufacturers as this seems to be the next breakthrough in desktop computing several manufacturers are pursuing this line. tim "Udo Rumpf" wrote in message ... I disagree strongly, the controls should be clustered around the screen. The remote is just an other piece of hardware attached to a wire flying around the cockpit. Naturally I can see and understand your bias. There are products that function much closer to my way of thinking and I am not bias. See http://www.triadis.ch Udo I find the ClearNav's keypad to be very easy to use. Also, the ClearNav is very much designed with "simple user-interface" as a key design consideration. I think it succeeds at that goal superbly. I predict that there will be many more ClearNav units sold than "Ultimate" systems. Also, NK is a first class company that will be creating many very nice soaring instruments in the near future and they (and I) will support the ClearNav extremely well. But I'm biased because I sell, support and am writing the |
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Clearly both touch-screen and remotes have dedicated users. I prefer
a remote because I can't reach my instrument panel and have difficulty touching the screen of a PDA in our turbulent western air. Also, an early PDA system I had flew out of its cradle and landed behind my back, where it was a little less than useful. I know the new cradles are better, but I still prefer an instrument to be firmly bolted to the panel. I'm sure we'll see some good developments in the next year or two and I'm watching these new developments closely, meanwhile I'll stick with my SN10. Mike |
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At 19:47 15 September 2008, Tim Mara wrote:
I think a touch screen as on PDA's is still the most useful.....letting you look directly at what you are trying to change rather than looking down at a keypad, then back at a screen (and with all this going on attempting to look outside as well...too many places and not enough eyes..apparently so do PC Manufacturers as this seems to be the next breakthrough in desktop computing several manufacturers are pursuing this line. tim With a properly designed handheld remote, in my experience, you don't need to look at the control at all. John Galloway |
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