Closed Airspace

He should have listed the airspace by name.. did he? A Restricted area or
MOA?

He cannot clear non participating IFR aircraft through an active MOA. Non
Participating means that you are not part of those that are reserving the
MOA.

I'm surprised he offered traffic advisories while you were in the MOA.
Perhaps he knew that those reserving it were not there yet, but it had "gone
hot" and he could not sued it for IFR traffic.

Maybe he did not offer lower because he already had enough traffic ducking
under the MOA.
BT

"Mike Granby" wrote in message
...

Near Seymour Johnson, so I did consider that it was the MOA north of
there, but then why wouldn't he offer me a descent to 6000 instead to
go under it, since I was only at 8000. (I've flown this route several
times in the last few months, including in the week, and never had
this issue before, but I've typically been at 6000, so the MOA does
make sense.)

He should have listed the airspace by name..
did he? A Restricted area or MOA?

Nope. Just "airspace closure".

He cannot clear non participating IFR aircraft through an
active MOA. Non Participating means that you are not
part of those that are reserving the MOA.

My understanding is that IFR traffic can be cleared through a MOA if
ATC can ensure separation, so presumably there are some cases when
they can, and some cases when they can't. I wonder what defines which
case it is?

I'm surprised he offered traffic advisories while you were in the MOA.

Yep.

Perhaps he knew that those reserving it were not
there yet, but it had "gone hot" and he could not
sued it for IFR traffic.

Would make sense.

Yes.. IFR traffic can be cleared through the MOA if IFR separation can be
assured.
He can do it if he is controlling the MOA users and ask them to either stay
in one corner while you blast through, or give them a "hard deck" above your
altitude while you transition.

If the MOA is being controlled by a military controller running intercepts
with the active players, the military controller most likely did not want to
bother with you, did not want you on frequency and told the Civil ATC to
keep you.

BT

"Mike Granby" wrote in message
...

He should have listed the airspace by name..
did he? A Restricted area or MOA?

Nope. Just "airspace closure".

He cannot clear non participating IFR aircraft through an
active MOA. Non Participating means that you are not
part of those that are reserving the MOA.

My understanding is that IFR traffic can be cleared through a MOA if
ATC can ensure separation, so presumably there are some cases when
they can, and some cases when they can't. I wonder what defines which
case it is?

I'm surprised he offered traffic advisories while you were in the MOA.

Yep.

Perhaps he knew that those reserving it were not
there yet, but it had "gone hot" and he could not
sued it for IFR traffic.

Would make sense.