Clearance on hold, hold for release

will alibrandi wrote:

I don't know for sure but that might be right out of the 7110. Having
spent lots of time in the tower when I worked in airport ops, I've
seen this happen many times. The controller calls approach on the land
line to activate the flight plan once you get your clearance. Once you
taxi out & you're waiting at the hold short line (and tell the tower
you're ready) the controller then calls approach again for the
release. It's usually done within 30 seconds of a pilot's calling
ready, but then again I worked at a small Class D airport so a busy
field would probably take longer.


Nothing in FAAO 7110.65 requires the call for the release to wait until the
aircraft is ready for takeoff. That's a lousy procedure wherever it's done.

On Jun 25, 2:52*pm, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:
will alibrandi wrote:

I don't know for sure but that might be right out of the 7110. Having
spent lots of time in the tower when I worked in airport ops, I've
seen this happen many times. The controller calls approach on the land
line to activate the flight plan once you get your clearance. Once you
taxi out & you're waiting at the hold short line (and tell the tower
you're ready) the controller then calls approach again for the
release. It's usually done within 30 seconds of a pilot's calling
ready, but then again I worked at a small Class D airport so a busy
field would probably take longer.

Nothing in FAAO 7110.65 requires the call for the release to wait until the
aircraft is ready for takeoff. *That's a lousy procedure wherever it's done.

Okay Steve, you've made your point. Twice.

I very much appreciate all the members response. Since originally
posting, a similar IFR trip occurred from the same field. Different
controller, though.

This time after hearing "readback correct" from Clearance Delivery, I
received the departure frequency, and was told clearly I'd get the
squalk when holding ready for takeoff. I then said "ready to taxi" and
was cleared to the active.

Holding short lasted almost 45 minutes anyway, it was a low ceiling
day, and even though there were only two other aircraft waiting for
IFR release at our field, a number of local airports are combined as
far as ATC is concerned for IFR traffic and we simply had to wait our
turn.

During IFR training (at different airport) ATC used what the CFII
called a 'gate hold' ; for a period of expected delay after clearance
approval but before taxi. Engine start could then be offset that
amount of time to save fuel and reduce rwy/taxiway congestion. We
stayed in the parking spot until told to contact ground to taxi.

It's still teamwork though, pilots and ATC, and thanks to the feedback
here the next time will be more informed, and safer. Thanks!

"Hap" wrote in message
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I very much appreciate all the members response. Since originally
posting, a similar IFR trip occurred from the same field. Different
controller, though.

This time after hearing "readback correct" from Clearance Delivery, I
received the departure frequency, and was told clearly I'd get the
squalk when holding ready for takeoff. I then said "ready to taxi" and
was cleared to the active.

Holding short lasted almost 45 minutes anyway, it was a low ceiling
day, and even though there were only two other aircraft waiting for
IFR release at our field, a number of local airports are combined as
far as ATC is concerned for IFR traffic and we simply had to wait our
turn.

During IFR training (at different airport) ATC used what the CFII
called a 'gate hold' ; for a period of expected delay after clearance
approval but before taxi. Engine start could then be offset that
amount of time to save fuel and reduce rwy/taxiway congestion. We
stayed in the parking spot until told to contact ground to taxi.

It's still teamwork though, pilots and ATC, and thanks to the feedback
here the next time will be more informed, and safer. Thanks!

That "gate hold" is the only thing that I had ever experienced while riding
along--as I have never been close to an instrument raing personally.
However, that was Pre-ElizabethDole.