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On 10 Jan, 06:25, Eric Greenwell wrote:
delboy wrote:
On 9 Jan, 00:57, Mark Jardini wrote:

Add: John Coleman owns the weather channel. While this gives him a
forum from which to sound off, it is *hardly "bona fides" for an
informed opinion on climate change.

As long as he is not being sponsored by the Oil or Coal Industries, I
would tend to believe him. The data he presents is accurate as far as
I can tell.

The UK Government is now running an advertising campaign to persuade
us to drive 5 miles less per week to 'save the planet'. Fat lot of
difference that will make in our tiny country, compared with all the
CO2 and other pollutants being pumped out by US and Far Eastern power
stations, manufacturing plants and vehicles. Have we actually proved
that CO2 is a greenhouse gas anyway,

OMG! Delboy, it's time to take your confusion about science back to
the forums that are made for it (and you know where they are). That
CO2 is a greenhouse gas isn't even controversial amongst the skeptics.

*and should we give up all modern
technology because of an unproven mathematical model?

Should we listen to someone who has no idea of the physical
characteristics of CO2? Derek, please visit this well known skeptic
site and look up the blog entries by Mr. Watts and his guest bloggers
to see what they have to say on the subject (also check out the
entries of Venus, the premier display of CO2 in action):

http://wattsupwiththat.com/

Those that want to learn more about climate science, but don't know
where to start, try this site for a good grounding, and explanations
covering the usual questions and claims.

http://skepticalscience.com/

If you are yearning for science at a higher level (but still
accessible), try this site, which is run by real, practicing,
publishing, climate scientists at the highest level:

http://www.realclimate.org/

RAS is NOT a good place to rehash decades old climate questions, as
Derek is trying to do, because these sites *are *well organized, easy
to search, and have comments by people that have been paying attention
for years. And if you are interested in the political and economic
aspects of global climate change, you'll find plenty of those, too.

And while Derek's off catching up on the science, we can go back to
soaring.

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Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA- Hide quoted text -

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I can only assume that Eric thinks he is losing the argument, as he
has lowered himself to slagging me off. For the record I have a
Masters degree in Chemistry and spent most of my life earning a crust
as an atomic spectroscopist. I am quite familiar with the absorption
characteristics of CO2 thanks.

The salesmen of AGW are in a similar position to financial services
salesmen in a bull market. They can point to a graph showing ever
increasing share values (global temperatures), and predict that you
will worth billions by the time you retire (the world will have become
a fireball). Unfortunately stock markets are as cyclical as the
climate, and sooner or later you will hit a bear market. This is what
seems to be happening now to global temperatures.

I would also like to do some soaring, but at the moment my club's site
is under a few feet of snow!

Derek Copeland