They call it the impossible turn.

terry writes:

What makes you think many pilots seeing the video will think its safe
to do?

I see a number of pilots here who already think it's safe to do. People who
think that way will only be encouraged by the video.

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terry writes:

What makes you think many pilots seeing the video will think its safe
to do?

I see a number of pilots here who already think it's safe to do. People
who
think that way will only be encouraged by the video.

Not necessarily. And I don't say that it is a safe thing to do.

As you correctly pointed out in another thread - if there's a flat spot in
front of you, then try for that.

At many many airports you don't have that luxury because of rough
vegetation, industrial & residential built up areas.
Turning back is sometimes the only choice that will give you and others the
best opportunity to survive.


Bruce

WayPoint writes:

At many many airports you don't have that luxury because of rough
vegetation, industrial & residential built up areas.
Turning back is sometimes the only choice that will give you and others the
best opportunity to survive.

Obviously, if there are only jagged rocks or other unpleasant things in front
of you, then your only option is to try to turn. But many pilots get in
trouble because they don't want to do expensive damage to their airplanes, and
they end up killing themselves in an attempt to save on money or insurance.
The phenomenon is not limited to pilots.

To a certain extent one can rationalize this by thinking that broken bones may
heal but broken airplanes must be fixed or replaced. There is a logic to that,
but the probabilities and other factors are often incorrectly assessed by the
person making the decision. The probability of dying or serious, life-altering
injury is far higher than the pilot is willing to admit. Optimism encourages
him to make a bad decision.

If the area in front of the airplane is truly flat, smooth, and safe, so much
so that there's no harm in landing on it, I wonder how many pilots would still
be tempted to turn around. If you know you can land ahead off the runway with
no damage to the airplane, is there still any reason to turn around?

On Feb 13, 4:58*am, Mxsmanic wrote:

If the area in front of the airplane is truly flat, smooth, and safe, so much
so that there's no harm in landing on it, I wonder how many pilots would still
be tempted to turn around. If you know you can land ahead off the runway with
no damage to the airplane, is there still any reason to turn around?

Why are you obsessed with a part of flight that has no meaning to you?
Just hit Control ALT Delete and walk away.
Leave the real stuff to real pilots.
The good and even great advice that has been handed out in here you
have ignored or turned into a game of semantics.
Go forth and multipy !

george writes:

Why are you obsessed with a part of flight that has no meaning to you?

Obviously it has meaning to me, or I would not discuss it. It's important to
be prepared for any eventuality when flying.

In rec.aviation.piloting Mxsmanic wrote:
george writes:

Why are you obsessed with a part of flight that has no meaning to you?

Obviously it has meaning to me, or I would not discuss it. It's important to
be prepared for any eventuality when flying.

Yeah to a real pilot in a real airplane, but not to a simmer.

You've already said you avoid things like VFR traffic and NORDO aircraft,
which are very common in real flying, so why the obsession with simulating
the dreaded "impossible turn", which is very rare by comparison in real
flying?


--
Jim Pennino

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writes:

Yeah to a real pilot in a real airplane, but not to a simmer.

Simmers generally have the same priorities. That's what simulation is all
about.

You've already said you avoid things like VFR traffic and NORDO aircraft,
which are very common in real flying ...

Not over LAX. I like to fly in Class A, B, C, or D airspace, and NORDO
aircraft are scarce there for obvious reasons. I do fly in other airspaces,
but often at such out-of-the-way airports that there's nobody else around.

... so why the obsession with simulating
the dreaded "impossible turn", which is very rare by comparison in real
flying?

I don't simulate this turn. I rarely practice engine-out procedures, and even
if I did, the impossible turn is such a stellar example of poor judgment that
I'd not likely be tempted to try it.

On Feb 13, 6:44*am, Mxsmanic wrote:
george writes:
Why are you obsessed with a part of flight that has no meaning to you?

Obviously it has meaning to me, or I would not discuss it. It's important to
be prepared for any eventuality when flying.

So do you wear a parachute when you are playing simulators? or do you
have a ballistic one attached to your PC?

terry writes:

So do you wear a parachute when you are playing simulators?

No more so than I would in real life.

On Feb 13, 9:19*am, terry wrote:
On Feb 13, 6:44*am, Mxsmanic wrote:

george writes:
Why are you obsessed with a part of flight that has no meaning to you?

Obviously it has meaning to me, or I would not discuss it. It's important to
be prepared for any eventuality when flying.

So do you wear a parachute when you are playing simulators? or do you
have a ballistic one attached to your PC?

:-)