They call it the impossible turn.

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george writes:

Why are you obsessed with a part of flight that has no meaning to you?

Obviously it has meaning to me, or I would not discuss it. It's important to
be prepared for any eventuality when flying.

Why? You don't *listen* to anyone 'round here!

--
Duncan.

Dave Doe writes:

Why? You don't *listen* to anyone 'round here!

I listen, but I'm not a sycophant.

On Feb 13, 6:40*am, george wrote:
On Feb 13, 4:58*am, Mxsmanic wrote:

If the area in front of the airplane is truly flat, smooth, and safe, so much
so that there's no harm in landing on it, I wonder how many pilots would still
be tempted to turn around. If you know you can land ahead off the runway with
no damage to the airplane, is there still any reason to turn around?

Why are you obsessed with a part of flight that has no meaning to you?
Just hit Control ALT Delete and walk away.
Leave the real stuff to real pilots.
The good and even great advice that has been handed out in here you
have ignored or turned into a game of semantics.
Go forth and multipy !

Do you really want to encourage him to multiply ?( not that there
would be a snowballs chance in hell of that happening- that would
require him having sex with a human being and you cant do that over a
computer)
Why is he obsessed with something that has no meaning to him.? Do a
google on Aspergers Syndrome.

On Feb 13, 8:50*am, terry wrote:
On Feb 13, 6:40*am, george wrote:

On Feb 13, 4:58*am, Mxsmanic wrote:

If the area in front of the airplane is truly flat, smooth, and safe, so much
so that there's no harm in landing on it, I wonder how many pilots would still
be tempted to turn around. If you know you can land ahead off the runway with
no damage to the airplane, is there still any reason to turn around?

Why are you obsessed with a part of flight that has no meaning to you?
Just hit Control ALT Delete and walk away.
Leave the real stuff to real pilots.
The good and even great advice that has been handed out in here you
have ignored or turned into a game of semantics.
Go forth and multipy !

Do you really want to encourage him to multiply ?( not that there
would be a snowballs chance in hell of that happening- that would
require him having sex with a human being and you cant do that over a
computer)
Why is he obsessed with something that has no meaning to him.? *Do a
google on Aspergers Syndrome.

My comment "go forth and multiply" is a nice way to tell him to get
F----. !

On Feb 13, 10:23*am, george wrote:
On Feb 13, 8:50*am, terry wrote:





On Feb 13, 6:40*am, george wrote:

On Feb 13, 4:58*am, Mxsmanic wrote:

If the area in front of the airplane is truly flat, smooth, and safe, so much
so that there's no harm in landing on it, I wonder how many pilots would still
be tempted to turn around. If you know you can land ahead off the runway with
no damage to the airplane, is there still any reason to turn around?

Why are you obsessed with a part of flight that has no meaning to you?
Just hit Control ALT Delete and walk away.
Leave the real stuff to real pilots.
The good and even great advice that has been handed out in here you
have ignored or turned into a game of semantics.
Go forth and multipy !

Do you really want to encourage him to multiply ?( not that there
would be a snowballs chance in hell of that happening- that would
require him having sex with a human being and you cant do that over a
computer)
Why is he obsessed with something that has no meaning to him.? *Do a
google on Aspergers Syndrome.

My comment "go forth and multiply" is a nice way to tell him to get
F----. !- Hide quoted text -

I know that George, and so do all the other pilots here, but Msx wont,
one of the more obvious symtoms of Aspergers Syndrome is the inability
to understand anything other than its literal meaning. He prolly
still wondering why you want him to walk forwards and practice his
times tables.

On Feb 13, 2:58*am, Mxsmanic wrote:
WayPoint writes:
At many many airports you don't have that luxury because of rough
vegetation, industrial & residential built up areas.
Turning back is sometimes the only choice that will give you and others the
best opportunity to survive.

Obviously, if there are only jagged rocks or other unpleasant things in front
of you, then your only option is to try to turn. But many pilots get in
trouble because they don't want to do expensive damage to their airplanes, and
they end up killing themselves in an attempt to save on money or insurance.
The phenomenon is not limited to pilots.

To a certain extent one can rationalize this by thinking that broken bones may
heal but broken airplanes must be fixed or replaced. There is a logic to that,
but the probabilities and other factors are often incorrectly assessed by the
person making the decision. The probability of dying or serious, life-altering
injury is far higher than the pilot is willing to admit. Optimism encourages
him to make a bad decision.

If the area in front of the airplane is truly flat, smooth, and safe, so much
so that there's no harm in landing on it, I wonder how many pilots would still
be tempted to turn around. If you know you can land ahead off the runway with
no damage to the airplane, is there still any reason to turn around?

Can you tell that an area in front of you is truly flat smooth and
safe from 500 feet altitude? If you can, can you also explain why
real pilots are taught to do precautionary search and landing passes
at 100 feet, if they need to make an emergency landing but still have
the power/time to do so?

terry writes:

Can you tell that an area in front of you is truly flat smooth and
safe from 500 feet altitude?

You can get a pretty good idea, and if it's reasonably close to flat and
smooth, it's still a better choice than trying to turn around.

If you can, can you also explain why
real pilots are taught to do precautionary search and landing passes
at 100 feet, if they need to make an emergency landing but still have
the power/time to do so?

If they don't have the power to turn around, they definitely don't have the
power to make any precautionary passes at 100 feet.

On Feb 13, 7:33*am, Mxsmanic wrote:
terry writes:
Can you tell that an area in front of you is truly flat smooth and
safe from 500 feet altitude?

You can get a pretty good idea,

How good an idea? How well does MS Flight simulator simulate what
ground detail a pilot would see from 500 feet looking over the nose of
the aircraft? We know you have never flown an aircraft, but have you
ever even been a passenger in the front seat of an aircraft and
experienced the view from 500 feet? And how long do you think you
would have from 500 feet with no power to make a judgement of whether
that peice of seemingly flat smooth safe land is really that? and what
would you do when you get to 400 feet and suddenly discover there is a
power line slap bang across the approach path or a bunch of kids
playing chase? you have no idea.

terry writes:

How good an idea?

Good enough to justify continuing forwards.

How well does MS Flight simulator simulate what
ground detail a pilot would see from 500 feet looking over the nose of
the aircraft?

It depends on the graphic settings and the scenery used. In some cases it
simulates just about every rock and bush, in other cases it's just a vague
group of hills.

We know you have never flown an aircraft, but have you
ever even been a passenger in the front seat of an aircraft and
experienced the view from 500 feet?

Not in person, but I've seen videos.

And how long do you think you would have from 500 feet with no
power to make a judgement of whether that peice of seemingly
flat smooth safe land is really that?

Not very long, depending on a number of factors. If you don't have time to
figure it out, you point at whatever looks safest. You still don't turn,
unless you are certain that whatever is ahead will kill you.

... and what would you do when you get to 400 feet and suddenly
discover there is a power line slap bang across the approach
path or a bunch of kids playing chase? you have no idea.

Virtually no one does. People in situations like that don't usually live to
talk about it.

"terry" wrote

you have no idea.

Of course he doesn't. But you know that, as does everyone responding to his
posts.

Why bother? He will not learn. He will not admit he is wrong. Anyone
reading this tread already knows he is an idiot, and will not try anything
or believe anything he has said.

Simply put, there is nothing left to be said.

Gang, let's end it with this dope, before more good people see what nut
cases are here, and never come back.
--
Jim in NC