contrails

On 12 Feb, 01:23, brian whatcott wrote:
Tom Gardner wrote:
On the micro-climate scale, people round here are glad of a
winter cold spell - to extinguish the noxious pests, if only temporarily.
Brian W-...
I was looking forward some nice Mediterranean type weather for the UK
by now, due to global warming. In practice it seems to be colder
wetter and snowier. What went wrong?
Derek Copeland
...
I was shocked when somebody showed me that the UK is approximately on
Siberian latitudes, so that there is supposed to be some warm flow that
keeps it bearable
...
That would be the Gulf Stream.
rj
...
I don't argue with the naming of the warm Northward current, I argue
with the idea that the climate is bearable! *:-)

Brian W

ObJoke: we don't have climate, we have weather!

... the variability of which makes us acutely sensitive
to changes. ... and is the reason why "the weather" is a standard
conversation topic amongst the British

Ha! You said it.

B

On another group an AGW/Climate Change believer claimed that the
recently observed slight global cooling was a blip caused by an
absence of sun spots and reduced solar output. In that case can we say
for sure that the Sun wasn't just unusually active during the 20th
century?

Derek Copeland

P.S. No sign of Mediterannean weather for the UK yet. We have had one
of the coldest winters for many years!

On Feb 12, 4:19*am, delboy wrote:
On 12 Feb, 01:23, brian whatcott wrote:

Tom Gardner wrote:
On the micro-climate scale, people round here are glad of a
winter cold spell - to extinguish the noxious pests, if only temporarily.
Brian W-...
I was looking forward some nice Mediterranean type weather for the UK
by now, due to global warming. In practice it seems to be colder
wetter and snowier. What went wrong?
Derek Copeland
...
I was shocked when somebody showed me that the UK is approximately on
Siberian latitudes, so that there is supposed to be some warm flow that
keeps it bearable
...
That would be the Gulf Stream.
rj
...
I don't argue with the naming of the warm Northward current, I argue
with the idea that the climate is bearable! *:-)

Brian W

ObJoke: we don't have climate, we have weather!

... the variability of which makes us acutely sensitive
to changes. ... and is the reason why "the weather" is a standard
conversation topic amongst the British

Ha! You said it.

B

On another group an AGW/Climate Change believer claimed that the
recently observed slight global cooling was a blip caused by an
absence of sun spots and reduced solar output. In that case can we say
for sure that the Sun wasn't just unusually active during the 20th
century?

Derek Copeland

P.S. No sign of Mediterannean weather for the UK yet. We have had one
of the coldest winters for many years!

There's some indication the extended solar minimum ended about
December 12th.

How much would the weather patterns change if the average earth temp
went up 2 degF? how many storms and droughts? how much alteration in
ocean current? How many failed crops for dryland farmers? How much of
this can we tolerate?

The earth is perched in pretty fine ballance supporting 6+ billion H
sapiens, and more all the time. How much room is left for the other
forms of life on this planet? How hard would we have to hit the last
undeveloped landmasses if there were widespread crop failures? How
many starvations in the undeveloped world? How many would die of
thrist on a planet where fresh water is already a thin commodity? How
many extinctions of unique and wonderful species, let alone the
possible commercial values of said species?

How many dislocations and migrations of populations can we handle?
(witness the slow remedy in Haiti for a relatively mild disaster on a
world scale.)

Are you so sure global warming is hoax? Are you willing to risk all of
this on a stubborn point? If you are not concerned, you are not
thinking.

Mark Jardini MD, Capt, USAF (ret)

On Feb 12, 1:08*pm, Mark Jardini wrote:
How much would the weather patterns change if the average earth temp
went up 2 degF? how many storms and droughts? how much alteration in
ocean current? How many failed crops for dryland farmers? How much of
this can we tolerate?

The earth is perched in pretty fine ballance supporting 6+ billion H
sapiens, and more all the time. How much room is left for the other
forms of life on this planet? How hard would we have to hit the last
undeveloped landmasses if there were widespread crop failures? How
many starvations in the undeveloped world? How many would die of
thrist on a planet where fresh water is already a thin commodity? How
many extinctions of unique and wonderful species, let alone the
possible commercial values of said species?

How many dislocations and migrations of populations can we handle?
(witness the slow remedy in Haiti for a relatively mild disaster on a
world scale.)

Are you so sure global warming is hoax? Are you willing to risk all of
this on a stubborn point? If you are not concerned, you are not
thinking.

Mark Jardini MD, Capt, USAF (ret)

Enough of this global warming discussion on RAS. If you guys have so
much time, go and join another group. This is about flying please be
respectful. Do we really want to discuss politics here? I hope not.