Co-pilot gets sick, stewardess helps land airplane

On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 11:26:29 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote:

Hatunen writes:

Cessna makes or made (I don't recall the current structure of the
personal aircraft inudstry) some heavier aircraft than the 150s I
used to fly. Including some Jets (the Citation line).

Yes. I fly a Citation X on my trusty sim all the time. But flying jets is
expensive,

What ae you saying? That you an't afford the jet software for the
sim?

and one need not do so for a CPL. Indeed, it might well be the
other way around: CPL, then jets.

I'm not sure. I've forgotten. Is a commercial rating required
before you can qualify for an ATR? By the way, you don't need an
ATR to fly a jet.

I wonder if John Travolta has an ATR...?

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Hatunen writes:

What ae you saying? That you an't afford the jet software for the
sim?

No, I'm saying that actually flying a jet for real is extremely expensive,
which is one argument in favor of simulation (equally applicable to all types
of flying, actually).

I'm not sure. I've forgotten. Is a commercial rating required
before you can qualify for an ATR?

You can have an ATPL for one type of aircraft, and a CPL for another type, if
you want.

Essentially, you can have one of the following types of pilot license (in the
U.S.):

Student
Sport
Recreational
Private
Commercial
Airline Transport Pilot

and each of these can apply to any combination of various aircraft types, such
as single-engine land airplane, rotorcraft, glider, multi-engine seaplane,
whatever.

By the way, you don't need an ATR to fly a jet.

Or even an ATPL.

I wonder if John Travolta has an ATR...?

He has a 707 and I think at least one other jet. John Travolta is a private
pilot, single and multi-engine land airplane, with an instrument rating--not
an ATP.

In rec.aviation.piloting Mxsmanic wrote:
Hatunen writes:

What ae you saying? That you an't afford the jet software for the
sim?

No, I'm saying that actually flying a jet for real is extremely expensive,
which is one argument in favor of simulation (equally applicable to all types
of flying, actually).

I guess I should use MSFS for my vacation to Vegas next week and save on
the cost of flying my plane.


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Jim Pennino

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On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 01:51:05 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote:

Hatunen writes:

What ae you saying? That you an't afford the jet software for the
sim?

No, I'm saying that actually flying a jet for real is extremely expensive,
which is one argument in favor of simulation (equally applicable to all types
of flying, actually).

I'm not sure. I've forgotten. Is a commercial rating required
before you can qualify for an ATR?

You can have an ATPL for one type of aircraft, and a CPL for another type, if
you want.

Essentially, you can have one of the following types of pilot license (in the
U.S.):

Student
Sport
Recreational
Private
Commercial
Airline Transport Pilot

To be picky, they're actually certificates, not licenses.

and each of these can apply to any combination of various aircraft types, such
as single-engine land airplane, rotorcraft, glider, multi-engine seaplane,
whatever.

I'm not sure what SEL planes an ATR certificate would apply to.

By the way, you don't need an ATR to fly a jet.

Or even an ATPL.

You mean ATPC, I think.

I wonder if John Travolta has an ATR...?

He has a 707 and I think at least one other jet. John Travolta is a private
pilot, single and multi-engine land airplane, with an instrument rating--not
an ATP.

Fascinating. Cite, please?


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* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

Hatunen wrote:
Mxsmanic wrote:
Hatunen writes:
I wonder if John Travolta has an ATR...?

He has a 707 and I think at least one other jet. John Travolta is a
private pilot, single and multi-engine land airplane, with an
instrument rating--not an ATP.

Fascinating. Cite, please?

The FAA provides a web page that allows you to search their airmen
registry:

https://amsrvs.registry.faa.gov/airmeninquiry/

Just enter information about yourself, click on submit, then enter as much
information as you know about person you are interested in. There is only
one entry that matches last name Travolta.

The FAA has another web page to search for aircraft, but isn't very useful
for finding who owns what, since they are oftened owned indirectly via
holding companies:

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/

On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 21:21:17 -0500, Jim Logajan
wrote:

Hatunen wrote:
Mxsmanic wrote:
Hatunen writes:
I wonder if John Travolta has an ATR...?

He has a 707 and I think at least one other jet. John Travolta is a
private pilot, single and multi-engine land airplane, with an
instrument rating--not an ATP.

Fascinating. Cite, please?

The FAA provides a web page that allows you to search their airmen
registry:

https://amsrvs.registry.faa.gov/airmeninquiry/

Just enter information about yourself, click on submit, then enter as much
information as you know about person you are interested in. There is only
one entry that matches last name Travolta.

That page shows street and city as required entries. I don't know
thm so I went no further.

The FAA has another web page to search for aircraft, but isn't very useful
for finding who owns what, since they are oftened owned indirectly via
holding companies:

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/

But thanks for that one. I've been trying to remember that
website is. It's kind of interesting to look up the old aircraft
I flew in. I see Piper J-3 Cub N3609K that I learned to first fly
in here in Tucson in 1966 is now owned by someone in Minnesota. I
was a one-fourth owner. One of my co-owners managed to encounter
an invisible dust devil on the runway on his first solo landing
and the plane was written off by our insurer as totaled. The
plane was sort of flyable, and the insurance company sold it to
someone who got a special ferry permit and it flew out of our
lives.



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* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

Hatunen writes:

That page shows street and city as required entries. I don't know
thm so I went no further.

You can enter just a name.

Hatunen wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 21:21:17 -0500, Jim Logajan
wrote:

Hatunen wrote:
Mxsmanic wrote:
Hatunen writes:
I wonder if John Travolta has an ATR...?

He has a 707 and I think at least one other jet. John Travolta is a
private pilot, single and multi-engine land airplane, with an
instrument rating--not an ATP.

Fascinating. Cite, please?

The FAA provides a web page that allows you to search their airmen
registry:

https://amsrvs.registry.faa.gov/airmeninquiry/

Just enter information about yourself, click on submit, then enter as
much information as you know about person you are interested in. There
is only one entry that matches last name Travolta.

That page shows street and city as required entries. I don't know
thm so I went no further.

You don't know your own street and city? ;-)

You put YOUR identifying info in that first page, not that of the airmen
you want to look up. If you don't want to ID yourself to the FAA (I don't
see the big deal) that's your call.

Street and city of the airmen you are interested in is not required when
you get to the query page itself. For example, I searched for last name
"Hatunen" and came across just one entry, with an issue date of
6/26/1968. Yours, perchance?

The FAA has another web page to search for aircraft, but isn't very
useful for finding who owns what, since they are oftened owned
indirectly via holding companies:

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/

But thanks for that one. I've been trying to remember that
website is. It's kind of interesting to look up the old aircraft
I flew in. I see Piper J-3 Cub N3609K that I learned to first fly
in here in Tucson in 1966 is now owned by someone in Minnesota. I
was a one-fourth owner. One of my co-owners managed to encounter
an invisible dust devil on the runway on his first solo landing
and the plane was written off by our insurer as totaled. The
plane was sort of flyable, and the insurance company sold it to
someone who got a special ferry permit and it flew out of our
lives.

You're welcome.

Hatunen writes:

To be picky, they're actually certificates, not licenses.

Same thing.

I'm not sure what SEL planes an ATR certificate would apply to.

One can have an ATP for all sorts of aircraft, and the ATP need not apply to
all. For example, you can be an ATP for multi-engine land airplanes, but only
a PPL for helicopters or seaplanes.

You mean ATPC, I think.

No, I mean ATP license(/certificate), ATPL.

Fascinating. Cite, please?

Pilot certificates are public records.

On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 04:58:56 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote:

Hatunen writes:

To be picky, they're actually certificates, not licenses.

Same thing.

I'm not sure what SEL planes an ATR certificate would apply to.

One can have an ATP for all sorts of aircraft, and the ATP need not apply to
all. For example, you can be an ATP for multi-engine land airplanes, but only
a PPL for helicopters or seaplanes.

You mean ATPC, I think.

No, I mean ATP license(/certificate), ATPL.

It's not a license.

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************* DAVE HATUNEN ) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *