Co-pilot gets sick, stewardess helps land airplane

William Black writes:

Have you ever been at the controls of a real aircraft when it has been
in the air?

No.

On 22/06/10 12:57, Mxsmanic wrote:
William Black writes:

Have you ever been at the controls of a real aircraft when it has been
in the air?

No.

End of story really, she has...

--
William Black

These are the gilded popinjays and murderous assassins of Perfidious
Albion and they are about their Queen's business. Any man who impedes
their passage does so at his own peril.

William Black writes:

End of story really, she has...

That's an extremely simplistic viewpoint. It's a bit like saying that anyone
who has ever driven any type of car can automatically drive any type of road
vehicle, while simultaneously saying that anyone who hasn't been behind the
wheel of a car cannot possible know how to drive one. Both notions are
baseless.

On Jun 22, 8:33*am, Mxsmanic wrote:
William Black writes:
End of story really, *she has...

That's an extremely simplistic viewpoint. It's a bit like saying that anyone
who has ever driven any type of car can automatically drive any type of road
vehicle, while simultaneously saying that anyone who hasn't been behind the
wheel of a car cannot possible know how to drive one. Both notions are
baseless.

Dont' you do the same thing saying you simulating flying is the same
as flying a real plane??????????

So in other words everything you post is baseless since you have never
flown a real plane?????????

On 22/06/10 14:33, Mxsmanic wrote:
William Black writes:

End of story really, she has...

That's an extremely simplistic viewpoint. It's a bit like saying that anyone
who has ever driven any type of car can automatically drive any type of road
vehicle, while simultaneously saying that anyone who hasn't been behind the
wheel of a car cannot possible know how to drive one. Both notions are
baseless.

No, it's like saying that anyone who has driven any car knows a great
deal more about driving than someone who has played driving games on a
personal computer, no matter how sophisticated.

Now I don't know about where you live, which I seem to remember is a
cupboard in Paris, but here they don't let you take your driving test
on your PC. They tend to insist that you get your arse in a car and
drive one around town to make sure you do actually know what you're doing.

Same with aircraft, they don't actually issue a pilots license to
anyone unless they actually get in an aircraft and show someone that
they can fly the bloody thing.


--
William Black

These are the gilded popinjays and murderous assassins of Perfidious
Albion and they are about their Queen's business. Any man who impedes
their passage does so at his own peril.

William Black writes:

No, it's like saying that anyone who has driven any car knows a great
deal more about driving than someone who has played driving games on a
personal computer, no matter how sophisticated.

But that is also an incorrect statement.

If only real flying experience were important, then nobody would ever use
simulators. In fact, if someone wants to fly a 747, he is better off flying a
simulator of a 747 than he is flying a Cessna 152. While the simulation isn't
the same as flying a 747 for real, it's a lot closer than the real-world
experience of a Cessna 172 would be.

In rec.aviation.piloting Mxsmanic wrote:
William Black writes:

No, it's like saying that anyone who has driven any car knows a great
deal more about driving than someone who has played driving games on a
personal computer, no matter how sophisticated.

But that is also an incorrect statement.

No, it is not unless the simulator is so realistic it is impossible to
tell the difference between the simulation and reality and such simulators
do not exist.

If only real flying experience were important, then nobody would ever use
simulators. In fact, if someone wants to fly a 747, he is better off flying a
simulator of a 747 than he is flying a Cessna 152. While the simulation isn't
the same as flying a 747 for real, it's a lot closer than the real-world
experience of a Cessna 172 would be.

Delusional tunnel vision.

Flying a real airplane requires a broad set of skills and knowledge which
is why in the real world the individual skills are taught in varied
environments best suited for teaching the task at hand, i.e. the cockpit of
a C172, a desk, a light twin, a 747 simulator, a real 747, to name just a few.

Each has its own part in generating the total sum of skills.


--
Jim Pennino

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On Jun 22, 9:31*am, wrote:

No, it is not unless the simulator is so realistic it is impossible to
tell the difference between the simulation and reality and such simulators
do not exist.

May want to clarify this Jim to Mx levels.

MSFS is not realistic or even close to being realistic.

I'd think (I have never been in one) though a full motion simulator
probably would be as real as it gets since you get the physical
feedback not felt in a chair in front of a desktop computer

writes:

No, it is not unless the simulator is so realistic it is impossible to
tell the difference between the simulation and reality and such simulators
do not exist.

The simulator need only provide more information than no information, which
every simulator does. The simulator provides information specific to an
aircraft that real-world experience in a different aircraft does not.

Flying a real airplane requires a broad set of skills and knowledge which
is why in the real world the individual skills are taught in varied
environments best suited for teaching the task at hand, i.e. the cockpit of
a C172, a desk, a light twin, a 747 simulator, a real 747, to name just a few.

There is knowledge (and sometimes skill) specific to individual aircraft that
must be acquired before that aircraft can be successfully flown. The specifics
of a 747 are not learned by someone flying a C172.

On 22/06/10 15:06, Mxsmanic wrote:
William Black writes:

No, it's like saying that anyone who has driven any car knows a great
deal more about driving than someone who has played driving games on a
personal computer, no matter how sophisticated.

But that is also an incorrect statement.

Nope.

It's true.

If only real flying experience were important, then nobody would ever use
simulators.

But that's NOT what I said you stupid child.

That you deliberately misrepresent me says more about about you than
about anything else.

In fact, if someone wants to fly a 747, he is better off flying a
simulator of a 747 than he is flying a Cessna 152. While the simulation isn't
the same as flying a 747 for real, it's a lot closer than the real-world
experience of a Cessna 172 would be.

They won't give anyone a license to fly a plane unless they've actually
flown a plane.

The training to fly a plane starts with the little ones and works up.

Everyone starts with something small with a fan on the front and works
up, even the fast jet jockeys in the military.

Nobody does it your way because they'd end up with an altimeter that
reads less than zero for a very short period of time...


--
William Black

These are the gilded popinjays and murderous assassins of Perfidious
Albion and they are about their Queen's business. Any man who impedes
their passage does so at his own peril.