Co-pilot gets sick, stewardess helps land airplane

Hatunen writes:

Good grief. That's an almost stupid thing to say.

Not if you have an instrument rating.

There are probably a few pilots who do things in the air for the
thrill of it.

They are among the most at risk for accidents. Usually, they are inexperienced
(in part because they are more likely to kill themselves). However, there are
idiots with experience, too--see Pinnacle Airlines flight 3701.

But as the old pilots' saw goes, "There are old
pilots and there are bold pilots, but there are no old, bold
pilots."

Yes. But there are many young and would-be bold pilots posting here. The kind
who would buy a Cirrus if they could afford it.

But there are plenty of undesired sensations in flying even for
cautious pilots.

Yes--that's one of the drawbacks of flying for real vs. flying a sim. I hate
having my ears pop, for example.

How many? Two? Four? A dozen?

By my count, perhaps several hundred.

You know this how? Are you psychic?

I know this from studies that show a link between this type of behavior and
accidents. It's not limited to airplanes, either: exactly the same tendencies
can be seen among automobile drivers.

On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 22:55:26 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote:

Hatunen writes:

Good grief. That's an almost stupid thing to say.

Not if you have an instrument rating.

There are probably a few pilots who do things in the air for the
thrill of it.

They are among the most at risk for accidents.


Well, duh.

Usually, they are inexperienced
(in part because they are more likely to kill themselves). However, there are
idiots with experience, too--see Pinnacle Airlines flight 3701.

But as the old pilots' saw goes, "There are old
pilots and there are bold pilots, but there are no old, bold
pilots."

Yes. But there are many young and would-be bold pilots posting here. The kind
who would buy a Cirrus if they could afford it.

Your point being? Please make it relevant to the general subject
and stop focusing your comments on a few fools. The occur in
almost every field of human endeavor.

But there are plenty of undesired sensations in flying even for
cautious pilots.

Yes--that's one of the drawbacks of flying for real vs. flying a sim. I hate
having my ears pop, for example.

If that's your only concern...

As at this point usual you left out the meat of the comment you
are referring to, where you said:

There are lots of YouTube videos of inexperienced, stupid pilots doing just
that.

How many? Two? Four? A dozen?

By my count, perhaps several hundred.

YOU COUNTED SEVERAL HUNDRED YOU-TUBES SHOWING "inexperienced,
stupid pilots"?? You must have a great deal of time on your
hands.

If those YouTube videos were like the video of the pilot
demosntrating a spin that you cited in another post, I am
hazarding a guess that even if you had seen that meny videos you
wouldn't know a reckless maneouver from a non reckless one,
making your opinion about worthless.

How about posting maybe a dozen such URLs and we can see for
ourselves what you consider "inexperienced, stupid pilots". (I'm
not arguing that "inexperienced, stupid pilots" don't exist. I do
hope you are at least clever enough to realize that.)

Again you kleft out what you said that is crucial to
understanding what follow:

They don't always identify themselves, but eventually their names tend
to appear in NTSB reports.

You know this how? Are you psychic?

I know this from studies that show a link between this type of behavior and
accidents.

Another duh. But what you haven't supported is your claim that
most of the several hundred pilots you've seen in YouTube videos
appear in NTSB reports. Given your apparent failure to know the
difference between reckless and non-reckless flying I'm dubious.

It's not limited to airplanes, either: exactly the same tendencies
can be seen among automobile drivers.

Another duh!

Not a particularly apt comparison, though. In America, at least,
drivers don't have ot pass much of a test to get licensed so some
real idiots get on the roads. There's a lot more to getting a
pilot's certification.

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Hatunen writes:

Your point being?

My point being that they often have very little clue.

Please make it relevant to the general subject
and stop focusing your comments on a few fools. The occur in
almost every field of human endeavor.

Most of the posts in the thread are being made by a few fools. Perhaps if they
went away, the thread would be more interesting. But I'm not holding my
breath. Several of the fools find me intimidating and try to bolster their
self-confidence by engaging me.

If that's your only concern...

It's not. There are other reasons to prefer simulation--such as the fact that
I absolutely despise travel, and that's difficult to avoid when flying for
real.

YOU COUNTED SEVERAL HUNDRED YOU-TUBES SHOWING "inexperienced,
stupid pilots"?? You must have a great deal of time on your
hands.

Sometimes I do, yes. And I'm interested in aviation. The stupid pilots fill
page after page on YouTube.

If those YouTube videos were like the video of the pilot
demosntrating a spin that you cited in another post, I am
hazarding a guess that even if you had seen that meny videos you
wouldn't know a reckless maneouver from a non reckless one,
making your opinion about worthless.

Using a non-aerobatic aircraft for aerobatics is always reckless in my book.
Other people have lower safety thresholds.

How about posting maybe a dozen such URLs and we can see for
ourselves what you consider "inexperienced, stupid pilots".

Just look for pilots doing aerobatics in their little Cessnas.

And of course only a fraction of careless and reckless pilots record their
mistakes on video.

Another duh. But what you haven't supported is your claim that
most of the several hundred pilots you've seen in YouTube videos
appear in NTSB reports.

That isn't my claim.

Given your apparent failure to know the
difference between reckless and non-reckless flying I'm dubious.

The pilots in NTSB reports often don't know the difference, but I do.

Not a particularly apt comparison, though. In America, at least,
drivers don't have ot pass much of a test to get licensed so some
real idiots get on the roads. There's a lot more to getting a
pilot's certification.

Actually, not much more, if it's just a PPL. That's why there are so many
stupid pilots, who disproportionately represent those who kill themselves 'and
sometimes others) in airplanes.

In rec.aviation.piloting Mxsmanic wrote:
Hatunen writes:

Good grief. That's an almost stupid thing to say.

Not if you have an instrument rating.

And now it is surely a stupid thing to say as flying IFR almost guarantees
other than a perfectly smooth ride.


--
Jim Pennino

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