Co-pilot gets sick, stewardess helps land airplane

Hatunen writes:

Indeed. That goes without saying. Theme parks are full of them.

Yes. It's a risky personality trait for people who operate vehicles. A
tremendous number of automobile accidents can be traced to this trait. And it
is often said that the most common last words of private pilots are "Watch
this!"

Except the pilots have to deal with it and aren't allowed to
cower in their sets.

I have never seen anyone cowering in his seat during a flight. The sensations
are exceedingly tame.

Of course it goes without saying that there are a number of
sensations that one can have when when piloting a plane smaller
than a 707 that airline passengers rarely experience, and when
they do it tends to be one of their last sensations.

"Watch this!"

Since your actual flying experience consists of being a passenger
on on large airliners it would serve you well to restrict your
comments to that experience.

Why?

I know that small planes move around more. It's one of several reasons to
avoid traveling in small planes.

By the way I've been a passenger on some smaller aircraft with
maybe ten or eleven seats, and the sensations are quite a bit
different than when a passenger on a 747.

So have I. I didn't find the sensations so very different as long as the
aircraft is competently flown.

On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 23:59:04 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote:

Hatunen writes:

Indeed. That goes without saying. Theme parks are full of them.

Yes. It's a risky personality trait for people who operate vehicles. A
tremendous number of automobile accidents can be traced to this trait. And it
is often said that the most common last words of private pilots are "Watch
this!"

REally. That's their last words? Who reported this fact? The
passneger he was shoing off to? I would have though the last
words would be something more like "AAW ****!!!".

Except the pilots have to deal with it and aren't allowed to
cower in their sets.

I have never seen anyone cowering in his seat during a flight. The sensations
are exceedingly tame.

You obviously haven't been on some flights I've been on.

Of course it goes without saying that there are a number of
sensations that one can have when when piloting a plane smaller
than a 707 that airline passengers rarely experience, and when
they do it tends to be one of their last sensations.

"Watch this!"

Since your actual flying experience consists of being a passenger
on on large airliners it would serve you well to restrict your
comments to that experience.

Why?

I know that small planes move around more. It's one of several reasons to
avoid traveling in small planes.

As a passenger, I agree wholeheartedly. Give me a good old jumbo
any day.

By the way I've been a passenger on some smaller aircraft with
maybe ten or eleven seats, and the sensations are quite a bit
different than when a passenger on a 747.

So have I. I didn't find the sensations so very different as long as the
aircraft is competently flown.

Again, I suspect you haven't been on some of the routes I've been
on in small planes.

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Hatunen writes:

REally. That's their last words?

Well, it's a saying, not a finding of fact. It illustrates a point, namely,
that thrillseeking behavior is incompatible with safe, normal flight.

I would have though the last
words would be something more like "AAW ****!!!".

Yes, this is supported by the data, along with things like "Uh-oh" or "Amy, I
love you."

You obviously haven't been on some flights I've been on.

I fly only with safe, major carriers if I can.

Again, I suspect you haven't been on some of the routes I've been
on in small planes.

Turbulence is one thing. Pilot incompetence is another.

On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 00:50:24 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote:

Hatunen writes:

REally. That's their last words?

Well, it's a saying, not a finding of fact.

Ah. and jsut who says it?

It illustrates a point, namely,
that thrillseeking behavior is incompatible with safe, normal flight.

Whoa. No ****? I woulda never thunk it.

I would have though the last
words would be something more like "AAW ****!!!".

Yes, this is supported by the data, along with things like "Uh-oh" or "Amy, I
love you."

But you said the last words were "Watch this"; nowreally, which
ones are the last words?

You obviously haven't been on some flights I've been on.

I fly only with safe, major carriers if I can.

Never hit a major downdraft in a safe, major carrier, then?

Again, I suspect you haven't been on some of the routes I've been
on in small planes.

Turbulence is one thing. Pilot incompetence is another.

Uh. Well, yeah. But you said there weren't any sensations, not
that turbulence was due to pilot incompetence. Or are you NOT
saying turbulence is due to pilot incompetence? It's a bit
unclear.

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Hatunen writes:

Ah. and jsut who says it?

I've heard it repeated in aviation circles many times.

Whoa. No ****? I woulda never thunk it.

An advantage to USENET is that it can expose you to ideas that might never
have crossed your mind previously.

But you said the last words were "Watch this"; nowreally, which
ones are the last words?

Small aircraft don't have CVRs.

Never hit a major downdraft in a safe, major carrier, then?

None that I found alarming. Downdrafts are harmless as long as you're well
above terrain.

Uh. Well, yeah. But you said there weren't any sensations ...

Where?

On Jun 24, 10:05*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:

None that I found alarming. Downdrafts are harmless as long as you're well
above terrain.


Rotor ???????

george writes:

On Jun 24, 10:05*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:

None that I found alarming. Downdrafts are harmless as long as you're well
above terrain.


Rotor ???????

Thunderstorm? Hurricane? Tornado? Nuclear explosion?

I don't recall losing 15,000 feet in a rotor on a commercial flight, but I
suppose anything is possible. A handful of exceptions does not disprove the
rule.

On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 14:09:40 -0700 (PDT), george
wrote:

On Jun 24, 10:05*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:

None that I found alarming. Downdrafts are harmless as long as you're well
above terrain.


Rotor ???????

Mixie needs to tell that to the people who wer e seriously
injured recntly when a jetliner did a sudden dror in altitude of
several thousand feet.

But the plane came out OK. Maybe that's what he meant.

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