Just pull the little red handle!

On Aug 30, 12:35*pm, John Cochrane
wrote:
In the meantime, why don't we get together and buy flarms

For one reason FLARM is not approved for use in US and for another I'm
not aware of any manufacturer that has published a date when it will
be available and approved for use in US.

I think if potential manufacturers were more open with plans,
specifications, and schedules there would be more interest.

Andy

On Aug 30, 2:21*pm, Andy wrote:
On Aug 30, 12:35*pm, John Cochrane
wrote:

In the meantime, why don't we get together and buy flarms

For one reason FLARM is not approved for use in US and for another I'm
not aware of any manufacturer that has published a date when it will
be available and approved for use in US.

I think if potential manufacturers were more open with plans,
specifications, and schedules there would be more interest.

Andy

More interest? Jeez I see a very large interest in the PowerFLARM.

The manufacturer has put back their data for availability.
Distributors like Craggy Aero are now stating availability of
PowerFLARM December 2010. See See http://www.craggyaero.com/collision_avoidance.htm

PowerFLARM cannot be legally sold in the USA without FCC approval, so
that date implies FCC approval. If you want to order one and have
questions about availability or other things call Richard at Craggy,
or any of the other dealers...

There has been lots of comments on r.a.s on specifications. Dave
Nadler, myself and others who are aware of some of the details have
clarified this where there was questions. Seems at least part of the
problem was there were people who wanted to look at the ButterFly/
PowerFLARM European web site and would not believe us that things
there may not exactly apply to the USA version of the product.

Folks are working on putting up a web site with USA specific content,
but in the meantime what else exactly is not clear?

Darryl

On Aug 30, 4:13*pm, Darryl Ramm wrote:

Folks are working on putting up a web site with USA specific content,
but in the meantime what else exactly is not clear?

So you are saying that the only manufacturer's web site that provides
any information on PowerFLARM is not related to the US product, but
you still ask me what is not clear?

I have downloaded and read extensive documentation on FLARM, including
a user manual, installation guide, data port specification and also
checked on a FLARM forum. There is lots of information on the
exisitng FLARM products.

Please let me know when and where I can find the equivalent
information on US Power FLARM. That is the clarity I seek.

I have been interested in PowerFLARM since the first announcement of
an intention to make it available in US. That was a long time ago.
Having an interest is not the same as having an intention to spend a
lot of money on a product that is not yet available and for which no
specifications are published.

So, anyone who wants my money please send me the specifications that
the product is being designed to meet, a definition of what capability
will be in the first release, and a schedule for adding features that
are not included in the first release. First dealer to do that will
have the first bite at my wallet.

Andy

On Aug 31, 11:08*am, Andy wrote:
On Aug 30, 4:13*pm, Darryl Ramm wrote:

Folks are working on putting up a web site with USA specific content,
but in the meantime what else exactly is not clear?

So you are saying that the only manufacturer's web site that provides
any information on PowerFLARM is not related to the US product, but
you still ask me what is not clear?

I have downloaded and read extensive documentation on FLARM, including
a user manual, installation guide, data port specification and also
checked on a FLARM forum. *There is lots of information on the
existing FLARM products.

No what I was asking is what is not clear to you given I believe all
questions raised by anybody about this product on r.a.s. have pretty
much been answered. I'm trying to understand what else remains that is
causing confusion. If I can I'll either answer it here or make sure it
gets answered and ideally put up on the USA webs site.

The difference between the USA product and the European web site that
caused most confusion is the IGC recorder (a standard feature with up
to three diamond certification level in the USA model). I think that
has all been pointed out here before and is clear in Richard's web
site.

Also pointed out here before is ADS-B TIS-B is not shipping in the
initial product, as I've tried to point out before that's likely not
mentioned in the European web site since it is not relevant to use
there.

Documentation would be great, I'd love that too, but this is not yet a
shipping product.

So what else is not clear?

Darryl

On Aug 31, 12:08*pm, Darryl Ramm wrote:
So what else is not clear?

Do you represent the manufacturer? If so, in what capacity?

Andy

On Aug 31, 4:46*pm, Andy wrote:
On Aug 31, 12:08*pm, Darryl Ramm wrote:

So what else is not clear?

Do you represent the manufacturer? *If so, in what capacity?

Andy

Represent anybody? On a good day I can barely represent myself. No I
do not represent Flarm, Trig, Becker, NavWorx, or any other company
whose product you'll see me talk about in detail on r.a.s. But I care
passionately that people understand technology related to collision
avoidance. Transponders, Flarm, ADS-B, glider batteries, etc. There is
all too much confusion about this stuff. I've been flying where we
have had some mid-air collisions in the area and other incidents and
lost too many people I know to mid-air collisions. This goes back to
the day I was flying out of Minden when the Hawker and ASG-29
collided. And all the subsequent confusion and misinformation I saw on
transponders, glider batteries, ATC radar, TCAS etc. so I've worked to
especially try to educate pilots in Northern California and Nevada on
those topics.

I'm voluntarily helping the folks who are putting together the USA web
site for PowerFLARM, esp. reviewing technical content on collision
avoidance systems. And I do give (free) feedback and suggestions to
Flarm folks at times on things, just as I do to Trig and others. e.g.
You'll see features in future Trig releases that I've pushed for. I've
also worked to educate some GA industry authors on technology issues
and in discussions with both pilot organizations and some avionics
manufacturers about how ADS-B things will or will not work easily for
pilots to use. In the weeds stuff but things I want to see the
manufacturers think of and want to see reviewers start looking for as
they discuss technology and review products. And some of that is
starting to slowly appear e.g. see Max Trescott in a recent EAA Sports
Aviation Magazine nicely clarifyied an ADS-B transmitter is required
for TIS-B to be received by a UAT receiver - the first time I've even
seen something as simple and important as that mentioned in any
popular coverage of ADS-B (thanks Max).

I'm pulling together content for our annual PASCO safety seminar where
I'll be talking about collision avoidance technology so I want to know
what things people find confusing or want information on. And Urs
Rothacher CEO of Flarm is speaking at that seminar on the history of
Flarm development. Should be interesting, well his bit at least.

So seriously what else is not clear? (BTW I just found one myself,
people need the power output specs for powering an external PDA etc.
to see if it can power their PDA/PNA. Also the actual power specs of
the device are still not public AFAIK).

Thanks

Darryl

Flarm has been mandatory in Australia for at least the last 3 years in
National and regional comps. There has been no mid-airs in comps in that
time. There were on average probably one ore a little more mid-airs a year
before that.
It won't stop them all, I nearly got cleaned up by an inexperienced Pilot
this year but at least I knew he was there and I took avoiding action.
The last WGC in Hungary had about 70% Flarm, I reckon the guys without it
[on purpose for "tactical" reasons] were idiots!!
Initially the units were $500, now still under $1000 and can be linked to
maps etc. Towplanes have them too!
You guys in the US really should get on board! Whatever frequency your
government will allow should be able to be programmed in both Euroflarm
and Ozflarm.
I am seriously considering if I will fly in Uvalde or any further WGC
without mandatory Flarm.
Tom Claffey

On Aug 30, 2:21*pm, Andy wrote:
On Aug 30, 12:35*pm, John Cochrane
wrote:

In the meantime, why don't we get together and buy flarms

For one reason FLARM is not approved for use in US and for another I'm
not aware of any manufacturer that has published a date when it will
be available and approved for use in US.

I think if potential manufacturers were more open with plans,
specifications, and schedules there would be more interest.

Andy

Andy,

I talked with one of the Flarm Directors today. He is confident that
PowerFlarm will be delivered in December 2010. The reason for the
delay was some part procurement problems. I believe the display.

Details at :

http://www.craggyaero.com/collision_avoidance.htm

Richard
www.craggyaero.com