LK8000 Portrait mode in PC sim mode

On Monday, December 26, 2011 7:07:26 PM UTC-5, kirk.stant wrote:
On Dec 26, 11:40*am, "PCool" wrote:
To me (and I used to navigate planes for a living so I'm a bit biased)
the only orientation that really makes sense is Heading up -
especially if there is a lot of crosswind. I want the map to mirror
what is outside the cockpit, and with track up and a crosswind, it's
possible for a feature in the distance (mountain, for example) to be
on one side of the map centerline, but on the other side of the
canopy, due to the glider's crab angle.

"Heading Up" does not match what you see out the cockpit with crosswind.
That is why ILEC SN10 does "nose up", matching your view...

Hope that's clear !
Best Regards, Dave "YO electric"

On Dec 26, 6:51*pm, Dave Nadler wrote:
On Monday, December 26, 2011 7:07:26 PM UTC-5, kirk.stant wrote:
On Dec 26, 11:40*am, "PCool" wrote:
To me (and I used to navigate planes for a living so I'm a bit biased)
the only orientation that really makes sense is Heading up -
especially if there is a lot of crosswind. *I want the map to mirror
what is outside the cockpit, and with track up and a crosswind, it's
possible for a feature in the distance (mountain, for example) to be
on one side of the map centerline, but on the other side of the
canopy, due to the glider's crab angle.

"Heading Up" does not match what you see out the cockpit with crosswind.
That is why ILEC SN10 does "nose up", matching your view...

Hope that's clear !
Best Regards, Dave "YO electric"

Uh, Dave, heading up and nose up are the same thing. Heading (which
way the pointy end is pointed, and read on the drippy compass thingy)
adjusted for the drift due to a crosswind is Track. Track up and Nose
up are only the same if there is either no wind, or the wind is a
direct tail or headwind.

Exaggerated example - I've got 30 degrees of drift to the right. My
goal is a mountain peak in the distance, and I've adjusted my heading
(which way my nose is pointing) 30 degrees to the left to compensate
for the drift, and my track is now directly towards the mountain.
Looking out the cockpit, the mountain is 30 degrees right of the
nose. If my map is Track Up, it shows the mountain directly ahead.
If the map is Heading up, it shows the mountain 30 degrees to the
right (matching my view out the window). Hopefully with a Track Line
showing that I'm going the right direction!

GPS navigators typically only present Track, because they have no way
of knowing heading without a compass input from the plane. Or, given
a wind, they can "back-in" heading by subtracting drift from track to
get heading.

Nav lesson for the day is now over - back to football!

Cheers,

Kirk

Right, sorry, misread "heading" as "GPS track",
need more coffee...
See ya, Dave

On Dec 27, 7:34*am, Dave Nadler wrote:
Right, sorry, misread "heading" as "GPS track",
need more coffee...
See ya, Dave

Mmmm coffee good ;^)

Kirk

To each their own, but for me landscape mode makes less sense than the
new menu system in Word 2007, ie, none. As Kirk said, the map should
show me where I'm going, not stuff off to the sides. IMO, soaring XC
isn't a sightseeing trip, it's an effort to get somewhere. My $0.02,
YMMV of course.

I'd like to thank Paolo for all of his efforts for bringing the
soaring community LK8000. Well done! I'm looking forward to
investigating version 3 in Jan 2012.

-John

At 15:29 27 December 2011, jcarlyle wrote:
To each their own, but for me landscape mode makes less sense than the
new menu system in Word 2007, ie, none. As Kirk said, the map should
show me where I'm going, not stuff off to the sides. IMO, soaring XC
isn't a sightseeing trip, it's an effort to get somewhere. My $0.02,
YMMV of course.

I'd like to thank Paolo for all of his efforts for bringing the
soaring community LK8000. Well done! I'm looking forward to
investigating version 3 in Jan 2012.

-John

Let's not forget that Paolo originated LK8000 to use car navigators,
initially the iPAQ 31* series. These were, and are, landscape, but as they
are mainly used track up in cars, portrait would have made more sense.
When flying, it all depends on which way you are going, and whether you fly
N Up, Track Up, or any of the many other possibilities. I like North Up,
because that is how I look at those paper things, so going N/S I've got
less in front with landscape, but more when going E/W. But it is a MOVING
map, so keeps pace with you, and is scaleable.
IMHO landscape suits the data display, both on the map and dedicated pages,
but it's a personal thing, if you don't like it that way, change it!
The other thing to do, is move the glider icon to near the bottom of the
screen and use North Smart.
Now who's going to bring out a square display?
Dave

On Dec 28, 5:33 am, David Salmon wrote:
At 15:29 27 December 2011, jcarlyle wrote:To each their own, but for me landscape mode makes less sense than the
new menu system in Word 2007, ie, none. As Kirk said, the map should
show me where I'm going, not stuff off to the sides. IMO, soaring XC
isn't a sightseeing trip, it's an effort to get somewhere. My $0.02,
YMMV of course.

I'd like to thank Paolo for all of his efforts for bringing the
soaring community LK8000. Well done! I'm looking forward to
investigating version 3 in Jan 2012.

-John

Let's not forget that Paolo originated LK8000 to use car navigators,
initially the iPAQ 31* series. These were, and are, landscape, but as they
are mainly used track up in cars, portrait would have made more sense.
When flying, it all depends on which way you are going, and whether you fly
N Up, Track Up, or any of the many other possibilities. I like North Up,
because that is how I look at those paper things, so going N/S I've got
less in front with landscape, but more when going E/W. But it is a MOVING
map, so keeps pace with you, and is scaleable.
IMHO landscape suits the data display, both on the map and dedicated pages,
but it's a personal thing, if you don't like it that way, change it!
The other thing to do, is move the glider icon to near the bottom of the
screen and use North Smart.
Now who's going to bring out a square display?
Dave

I really can't see how you could like navigating a plane using North
Up. I started out doing that when I was a car rally navigator, but
quickly learned that the driver liked hearing a crisp "Left", didn't
like "Uhhh....left", and absolutely hated "Left...I mean, right".
Those problems vanished when I started rotating the map to match the
car's track. Using Track Up you "know" which way to go, instead of
having to "think" which way to go, because you don't have to match up
two frames of reference. In soaring, the same intuitive matching of
map with landscape using Track Up helps me to easily determine if
those clouds are on my way to the turnpoint or involve a big detour,
and gives me more time to make other decisions.

As far as using landscape mode because some idiot in China decided to
make car navigators that way, why should we perpetuate an error? It's
easy to change, and besides, a vertical screen fits into a tight
cockpit better.

-John