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ANPRM - removal of transponder exception for gliders



 
 
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Old June 17th 15, 01:50 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Jamie Shore
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Default ANPRM - removal of transponder exception for gliders

My read of the proposed rule change is as follows:
The proposed change would lift the current glider exception. The current exemption allows us to not have a transponder (or ADSB or TABS in the future) when:
1. Fly within 30 miles of the class B (mode C veil) and under the shelf.
2. Fly above 10,000 feet MSL
3. Fly in class B or C.

What else?

Thanks,
Jamie Shore
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Old June 17th 15, 04:31 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Default ANPRM - removal of transponder exception for gliders

On Wednesday, June 17, 2015 at 8:50:58 AM UTC-4, Jamie Shore wrote:
My read of the proposed rule change is as follows:
The proposed change would lift the current glider exception. The current exemption allows us to not have a transponder (or ADSB or TABS in the future) when:
1. Fly within 30 miles of the class B (mode C veil) and under the shelf.
2. Fly above 10,000 feet MSL
3. Fly in class B or C.

What else?


Your summary is correct, but it lumps together a range of possible outcomes. The FAA is not posing a YES/NO question.

A non-exhaustive enumeration of possible outcomes:

Outcome 0 - No change to current regulations

Outcome 1 - TABS required, Transponder not required, ADS B not required

Outcome 2 - TABS not required, Transponder required, ADS B not required

Outcome 3 - TABS not required, Transponder not required, ADS B in/out required

Outcome N - Some optimal combination of TABS, Xpndr, ADS-B,required.

The FAA solicits comments on the costs and benefits of any and all of the possible outcomes and then they will decide.

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Old June 17th 15, 11:00 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Default ANPRM - removal of transponder exception for gliders

On Wednesday, June 17, 2015 at 7:50:58 AM UTC-5, Jamie Shore wrote:
My read of the proposed rule change is as follows:
The proposed change would lift the current glider exception. The current exemption allows us to not have a transponder (or ADSB or TABS in the future) when:
1. Fly within 30 miles of the class B (mode C veil) and under the shelf.
2. Fly above 10,000 feet MSL
3. Fly in class B or C.

What else?

Thanks,
Jamie Shore


My reading is that if all exemptions for sailplanes were removed from the language of FAR 91.215, then all sailplane operations within 30 nm of the airports listed in FAR 91 Appendix D section 1 would require transponders regardless of altitude. Not sure if that's the same as what you said or not.

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