LX 9000 or CNII?

Martin,

If you're a fortunate soul who "gets" Linux, then I'm sure GPLIGC is a good thing for you. Most people I know just get overwhelmed by all of the jargon and seek the simplicity of Windows. GPLIGC

On Sunday, November 15, 2015 at 11:12:03 AM UTC-5, Martin Gregorie wrote:
On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 13:43:05 -0800, Dave Springford wrote:

Well, I did say "as long as you have" SeeYou.

Why would any cross-country glider pilot not have SeeYou?

Don't need it - I've got GPLIGC.


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Finishing my prematurely posted comment:

Martin,

If you're a fortunate soul who "gets" Linux, then I'm sure GPLIGC is a good thing for you. Most people I know just get overwhelmed by all of the jargon and seek the simplicity of Windows. GPLIGC does have a Windows version, but at a minimum one needs to load PERL. That's a show stopper for me...

-John, Q3

On Sunday, November 15, 2015 at 11:12:03 AM UTC-5, Martin Gregorie wrote:
On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 13:43:05 -0800, Dave Springford wrote:

Well, I did say "as long as you have" SeeYou.

Why would any cross-country glider pilot not have SeeYou?

Don't need it - I've got GPLIGC.


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martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
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On Sun, 15 Nov 2015 10:29:54 -0800, John Carlyle wrote:

Finishing my prematurely posted comment:

Martin,

If you're a fortunate soul who "gets" Linux, then I'm sure GPLIGC is a
good thing for you. Most people I know just get overwhelmed by all of
the jargon and seek the simplicity of Windows. GPLIGC does have a
Windows version, but at a minimum one needs to load PERL. That's a show
stopper for me...

I've been a Linux user since 1998 and using UNIX and similar systems
since 1984, so I do that stuff without thinking about it. I don't
remember whether I've used Perl under Windows or not.

GPLIGC by and large 'just works', though its interface and command set
aren't exactly intuitive and I'll admit raising a few feature requests
against it, but it will keep me happy for the coming season and its price
is certainly right!


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martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org |

"Does anyone have experience with both system that could offer an opinion?"

Having done 100hrs XC with the CNII and LX9000, I would have to say LX, by a fairly large margin.

I would score the LX higher relative to the CNII in terms of user interface, stability and flexibility. The CN mostly works but isn't much of an advance over WinPilot from 15 years ago. Many of the basic functions require large amounts of button pressing and concentration, which is not good for lookout and soaring. The LX, however, can be mostly set-up and left that way while you get on with the flying. In those 100hrs I have had quite a few freezes and crashes from the CNII but the LX has been 100% reliable - I guess this is down to the maturity of the software and the underlying OS.

On Monday, November 16, 2015 at 7:29:00 AM UTC-5, Ed Downham wrote:
"Does anyone have experience with both system that could offer an opinion?"

Having done 100hrs XC with the CNII and LX9000, I would have to say LX, by a fairly large margin.

I would score the LX higher relative to the CNII in terms of user interface, stability and flexibility. The CN mostly works but isn't much of an advance over WinPilot from 15 years ago. Many of the basic functions require large amounts of button pressing and concentration, which is not good for lookout and soaring. The LX, however, can be mostly set-up and left that way while you get on with the flying. In those 100hrs I have had quite a few freezes and crashes from the CNII but the LX has been 100% reliable - I guess this is down to the maturity of the software and the underlying OS.

There were some reliability problems with early software and firmware on CNII. That -- as far as I can tell -- is behind us.

Can't imagine what you are doing that "requires large amounts of button pressing and concentration" in flight on CN2. Most users have a very different experience.

-Evan Ludeman for CNi

"Can't imagine what you are doing that "requires large amounts of button pressing and concentration" in flight on CN2. Most users have a very different experience."

I can only go from my experiences, e.g. changing from total distance to run and glide to distance to the next TP takes a lot of poking around. On the LX it is no effort at all as you can display both at the same time, should you wish. My general impression was that it took more effort on the part of the pilot to perform similar actions using the CN2 compared with the LX and over a long flight that adds up. I used the CN/LX back-to-back in the same task area.

The OLC "feature" froze the display for 20-30s when accessed which didn't help the first time as I was close to airspace. Attempting to add a new TP on the grid as it wasn't in the database made the unit crash completely, needing the power removed.

I appreciate there might have been some revisions since I last tried it but this was less than a year ago with the (then) latest firmware. I really wanted to like it but it I was surprised how "beta" it behaved. I'm flying a glider in a couple of weeks with a CN2, so will give it another go...

I've downloaded the GPLIGC zip file and have gotten past the warnings
about zip files being dangerous (won't someone ever take a risk
anymore?). Now I've got to figure out how to unzip it. Windows 8.1 is
such a pain in the ass...

On 11/15/2015 12:05 PM, Martin Gregorie wrote:
On Sun, 15 Nov 2015 10:29:54 -0800, John Carlyle wrote:

Finishing my prematurely posted comment:

Martin,

If you're a fortunate soul who "gets" Linux, then I'm sure GPLIGC is a
good thing for you. Most people I know just get overwhelmed by all of
the jargon and seek the simplicity of Windows. GPLIGC does have a
Windows version, but at a minimum one needs to load PERL. That's a show
stopper for me...

I've been a Linux user since 1998 and using UNIX and similar systems
since 1984, so I do that stuff without thinking about it. I don't
remember whether I've used Perl under Windows or not.

GPLIGC by and large 'just works', though its interface and command set
aren't exactly intuitive and I'll admit raising a few feature requests
against it, but it will keep me happy for the coming season and its price
is certainly right!



--
Dan, 5J

Le lundi 16 novembre 2015 11:09:04 UTC-5, Dan Marotta a écrit*:
I've downloaded the GPLIGC zip file and have gotten past the
warnings about zip files being dangerous (won't someone ever take a
risk anymore?).* Now I've got to figure out how to unzip it.*
Windows 8.1 is such a pain in the ass...




On 11/15/2015 12:05 PM, Martin Gregorie
wrote:



On Sun, 15 Nov 2015 10:29:54 -0800, John Carlyle wrote:



Finishing my prematurely posted comment:

Martin,

If you're a fortunate soul who "gets" Linux, then I'm sure GPLIGC is a
good thing for you. Most people I know just get overwhelmed by all of
the jargon and seek the simplicity of Windows. GPLIGC does have a
Windows version, but at a minimum one needs to load PERL. That's a show
stopper for me...



I've been a Linux user since 1998 and using UNIX and similar systems
since 1984, so I do that stuff without thinking about it. I don't
remember whether I've used Perl under Windows or not.

GPLIGC by and large 'just works', though its interface and command set
aren't exactly intuitive and I'll admit raising a few feature requests
against it, but it will keep me happy for the coming season and its price
is certainly right!







--

Dan, 5J

Hi

Where does the LX Navigation ZEUS stand compare to these two?

I've been using CN2 extensively and have not had crashes and do not need to push buttons much at all for contest and record flights. Most button pushing that I do is to zoom in and out; I'm sure that would happen with any computer.

Of late, I'm happy with the product. I did have a few complaints in the past. The company has listened and addressed them. Teething pains are past. Customer service is excellent.

On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 09:08:58 -0700, Dan Marotta wrote:

I've downloaded the GPLIGC zip file and have gotten past the warnings
about zip files being dangerous (won't someone ever take a risk
anymore?). Now I've got to figure out how to unzip it. Windows 8.1 is
such a pain in the ass...

Dan,

I can't help with unzipping - sorry (I haven't owned any Windows more
recent than Win95) - except to say that there are a number of FOSS (Free
Open Source) zip programs.

The Linux version has an automated install that assumes that Perl is
already installed and that a C++ compiler is available in case some speed-
boosting code needs to be recompiled - this is SOP for most Linux
programs that are not part of the Linux distribution you're running.

The README file in the ZIP archive says that support, a forum and bug
reporting are all available at

http://sourceforge.net/projects/gpligc/support

The manual (in the ZIP) says that it needs Perl 5 with the Perl/TK module
plus Gnuplot (a Perl drawing module). It also says that, if there are no
downloads for your OS than you'll need a to have a C/C++. Well, the only
download is for all operating systems, so unless you have a C/C++
compiler installed and know how to use it, I suggest you forget about
GPLIGC for a while.

Meanwhile, while checking the website, I've just seen that I'm two
releases out of date and that GPLIGC has now been extended to handle
variable-barrel tasks (which I need) so I've just added updating it to my
todo list.


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