Confusing SSA hand signals that should be changed

On Sat, 31 Mar 2018 18:34:32 -0700, Tango Eight wrote:

We have radios in all of our aircraft. We simply prefer not to clutter
the air waves, there is plenty of that already.

Thats never a problem at my club because, like all the bigger UK clubs,
we have our own frequency. Is this not usual in the USA?

Not criticising: just curious.



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Martin | martin at
Gregorie | gregorie dot org

Le dimanche 1 avril 2018 11:07:50 UTC+2, Martin Gregorie a écritÂ*:
On Sat, 31 Mar 2018 18:34:32 -0700, Tango Eight wrote:

We have radios in all of our aircraft. We simply prefer not to clutter
the air waves, there is plenty of that already.

Thats never a problem at my club because, like all the bigger UK clubs,
we have our own frequency. Is this not usual in the USA?

Not criticising: just curious.



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Martin | martin at
Gregorie | gregorie dot org

If flying from a field with ATC, communication between glider and tug is typically done on a separate frequency. Once the slack has been taking up and everybody is ready to go, both switch to ATC (but the glider only listens)..

The main difference is that a lot of the soaring operations, clubs and
commercial operations in the US are based at public use airports and
there is general aviation traffic, commuter flights, sky diving clubs,
etc., using the same airport and frequency.Â* After getting out on
course, most gliders switch to a common frequency used mostly by
gliders, though I often hear military training flights there, as well.

To further muck up the waters, most uncontrolled airports in the USA use
one of a few frequencies as Unicom or Common Traffic Advisory Frequency
and, around Moriarty, there are at least three airports within line of
sight to gliders at altitude that use the same frequency.Â* And, if that
is not enough, one of those airports uses the same frequency for its
Automatic Terminal Information Service which, after a couple of mic
clicks or transmissions close together, will start broadcasting airport
weather information.

We don't have sky diving at Moriarty, but we do have a lot of general
aviation flights arriving, departing, practicing landings, fire bombers,
military helicopters, etc., and all are blended in with glider
operations, both the ABQ Soaring Club and Sundance Aviation, the
commercial operator.Â* On weekends, we'll have two or three tugs operating.

These are some of the reasons that hand signals are so useful at our
operations.

On 4/1/2018 3:07 AM, Martin Gregorie wrote:
On Sat, 31 Mar 2018 18:34:32 -0700, Tango Eight wrote:

We have radios in all of our aircraft. We simply prefer not to clutter
the air waves, there is plenty of that already.

Thats never a problem at my club because, like all the bigger UK clubs,
we have our own frequency. Is this not usual in the USA?

Not criticising: just curious.




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Dan, 5J

Sheesh Dan, is that all in the US?!?!
Slacker......
;-)

Yes, at our location, we do our hand signals which is pretty close to SSA standards.
Yes, if possible, we do radio. Not all trainers have a mounted radio, but may have a handheld.

We do a LOT of ground launch training before solo wing runner doing it solo.
Perfect!, nope.
Only perfect peeps I know are usuallly buttholes.

We do, we watch, we adapt.
We have a good record.
We are open to fine tune methods.
We are close to "SSA standards".

Yeah, I know.Â* We need more regulations and procedures...Â* Flying is
still too much fun. :-D

On 4/1/2018 1:56 PM, Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot) wrote:
Sheesh Dan, is that all in the US?!?!
Slacker......
;-)

Yes, at our location, we do our hand signals which is pretty close to SSA standards.
Yes, if possible, we do radio. Not all trainers have a mounted radio, but may have a handheld.

We do a LOT of ground launch training before solo wing runner doing it solo.
Perfect!, nope.
Only perfect peeps I know are usuallly buttholes.

We do, we watch, we adapt.
We have a good record.
We are open to fine tune methods.
We are close to "SSA standards".


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Dan, 5J

On Sunday, April 1, 2018 at 2:56:46 PM UTC-5, Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot) wrote:
Sheesh Dan, is that all in the US?!?!
Slacker......
;-)

Yes, at our location, we do our hand signals which is pretty close to SSA standards.
Yes, if possible, we do radio. Not all trainers have a mounted radio, but may have a handheld.

We do a LOT of ground launch training before solo wing runner doing it solo.
Perfect!, nope.
Only perfect peeps I know are usuallly buttholes.

We do, we watch, we adapt.
We have a good record.
We are open to fine tune methods.
We are close to "SSA standards".

Hey Charlie,
"most perfect peeps are buttholes"?,
I pursue perfection and I'm not a butthole,
Well, maybe a little, no, your right, we're buttholes,
but we want people to like us!! :-)

Scott

Pursuing perfection is an admirable goal, usually unobtainable.
Typically, anyone that states they are perfect, is usually a butthole (toning my normal term down a bit).
I do not know you, I don't see where you state you are perfect, thus I don't consider you a butthole.

No offense, in general, was meant........unless you consider yourself perfect, then we shall see.
Oh, have a nice day.

Spring is here, looking at the 5" of fresh snow in north NJ........sigh.......