ASW-19 Maximum Weight

Yeah, I went back to put in the mention about leading edges and I put it
in the wrong sentence.Â* My purpose was that, due to the rest of the
content of this thread, I doubt some people understand the whole
concept.Â* Maybe draw a picture...

On 10/19/2018 2:53 PM, Dan Daly wrote:
On Friday, October 19, 2018 at 2:46:15 PM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:
A simple weighing should put this all to rest.Â* Two bathroom scales
should get you very close if you don't have access to proper aircraft
scales.

1.Â* Weigh each wing separately using two bathroom scales.
2.Â* Weigh the fuselage separately using two bathroom scales, one under
each end of the wing leading edge.
Dan, 5J
I would weigh the fuselage using two scales, one under the main wheel, one under the tail wheel, not under the wing leading edge?

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Dan, 5J

My partner talked to Rex at Williams Soaring today. He told us that, for standard certificate gliders at least, the data in the TCDS takes precedent. So 805 pounds really is the maximum weight of the glider without water. Too bad, as that really limits the useful load of the 19s I've looked at.

My favorite donut shop is going to miss me. 😢😢😢

Why and by whom was that limit introduced? It isn't on the original LBA TCDS for the 19 or 19B as far as I can see from the versions on the BGA website.

I emailed Schliecher about this. Here's the response I received:

"Here are a few short suggestions. The payload of the ASW 19 is 75-115 KG. The weight of the non-lifting parts must not exceed 225 KG.
The maximum take-off weight of 408 kg must not be exceeded with or without water.
Greetings from Poppenhausen"

Sounds to me like they don't know anything about 805 pounds either. In the end, we will probably pass on ASW-19s. 805 pounds limits the maximum pilot weight of them too much and I don't want to risk having to convince someone to willfully ignore the TCDS while doing a weight and balance.

That said, anyone know of a good Discus B for sale in the Western US?

Is it just me? I must say, in my 36 years as a pilot, I've never searched for the TCDS on any aircraft or rotorcraft I've flown in order to do a W&B calculation. Until the proliferation of the internet, it was nearly impossible to find a TCDS to reference.

The Operating Manual has the weight limits spelled out and includes a W&B diagram for reference. If the FAA decided to make an issue of it, they'd have to challenge themselves for not requiring an Operation Manual change notice to account for the difference between the ops manual and their paperwork..

Get a fresh weighing, don't exceed the manual limits, and have a blast flying the ASW-19.

Paul A.
ASW-19 #193

Funnily enough, the weight and balance was done in 1994, using 805 pounds, by the same person who pointed us to the TCDS recently. I'm not sure where he got the TCDS back then. It was a little before my time. I know the internet was quite widespread at that point, but I can't imagine the FAA had them all up and available that quickly.