Class mobility

Of interest to me is that it looks like only one person (Geoff Brown) chose to "span down" and is flying with his shorter span tips. Everyone else is flying with the longest span their plane can fly with. No ASG29s, JS3s, Ventus 2C or similar in 15 meter class. And the other JS1 is flying with his 21 meter tips on.

Also of interest to me is that all classes are handicapped.

Steve Leonard

On Thursday, December 6, 2018 at 9:31:11 AM UTC-8, Steve Leonard wrote:
Of interest to me is that it looks like only one person (Geoff Brown) chose to "span down" and is flying with his shorter span tips. Everyone else is flying with the longest span their plane can fly with. No ASG29s, JS3s, Ventus 2C or similar in 15 meter class. And the other JS1 is flying with his 21 meter tips on.

Also of interest to me is that all classes are handicapped.

Steve Leonard

Most of the JS1s are B models, 18m only.
All the LS8s are flying with baby wingtips. One D2C flying at 18m.
I like the feel of the 18m D2C full of water, but at high speed it doesn't go like something with flaps.
Jim

Do these "phantom" classes give more FAI ranking points to pilots (4 winners instead of 2)? I dont see any other reason for this.

“Do these "phantom" classes give more FAI ranking points to pilots (4 winners instead of 2)? I dont see any other reason for this. “

No.

On Saturday, 8 December 2018 12:25:35 UTC+2, wrote:
“Do these "phantom" classes give more FAI ranking points to pilots (4 winners instead of 2)? I dont see any other reason for this. “

No.

Reading FAI ranking rules it sure does. Pilot quality factor, competition rating all are based on number of good pilots in same class. Put same pilots to multiple classes and you have very good phantom competition that gives a lot of ranking points. Very clever.

On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 1:11:50 PM UTC-5, krasw wrote:
On Saturday, 8 December 2018 12:25:35 UTC+2, wrote:
“Do these "phantom" classes give more FAI ranking points to pilots (4 winners instead of 2)? I dont see any other reason for this. “

No.

Reading FAI ranking rules it sure does. Pilot quality factor, competition rating all are based on number of good pilots in same class. Put same pilots to multiple classes and you have very good phantom competition that gives a lot of ranking points. Very clever.

Where are the ranking rules to be found?

Who gets to decide if any given nation's rules are "close enough" to Annex A (or some other gold standard) to merit FAI rankings based on their nationals?

T8

lauantai 8. joulukuuta 2018 22.24.01 UTC+2 Tango Eight kirjoitti:
On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 1:11:50 PM UTC-5, krasw wrote:
On Saturday, 8 December 2018 12:25:35 UTC+2, wrote:
“Do these "phantom" classes give more FAI ranking points to pilots (4 winners instead of 2)? I dont see any other reason for this. “

No.

Reading FAI ranking rules it sure does. Pilot quality factor, competition rating all are based on number of good pilots in same class. Put same pilots to multiple classes and you have very good phantom competition that gives a lot of ranking points. Very clever.

Where are the ranking rules to be found?

Who gets to decide if any given nation's rules are "close enough" to Annex A (or some other gold standard) to merit FAI rankings based on their nationals?

T8

They are available online, you seriously want help in using google?

Originally Posted by Tango Eight

On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 1:11:50 PM UTC-5, krasw wrote:
On Saturday, 8 December 2018 12:25:35 UTC+2, wrote:
“Do these "phantom" classes give more FAI ranking points to pilots (4 winners instead of 2)? I dont see any other reason for this. “

No.

Reading FAI ranking rules it sure does. Pilot quality factor, competition rating all are based on number of good pilots in same class. Put same pilots to multiple classes and you have very good phantom competition that gives a lot of ranking points. Very clever.

Where are the ranking rules to be found?



Who gets to decide if any given nation's rules are "close enough" to Annex A (or some other gold standard) to merit FAI rankings based on their nationals?

T8

Hi Evan

Try this link http://rankingdata.fai.org/sc3d.pdf

Cheers
Colin

T8,

US Nationals have been used for FAI ranking over the years if the contest management decides to report the results and pays the associated sanction fees. This has been hit or miss over the years.

As an example you can see the FAI ranking for Phil Gaisford who has ranking based on the PanAms in 2015 that is a Category I event he won and then the 2018 US Standard Class Nationals which he also won and is considered a Category II event. As others have said, the ranking of each event changes with the “quality� of competitors.

http://rankingdata.fai.org/SGP_displ...p?pilotid=3167

On Thursday, December 6, 2018 at 11:52:30 AM UTC-6, JS wrote:
On Thursday, December 6, 2018 at 9:31:11 AM UTC-8, Steve Leonard wrote:
Of interest to me is that it looks like only one person (Geoff Brown) chose to "span down" and is flying with his shorter span tips. Everyone else is flying with the longest span their plane can fly with. No ASG29s, JS3s, Ventus 2C or similar in 15 meter class. And the other JS1 is flying with his 21 meter tips on.

Also of interest to me is that all classes are handicapped.

Steve Leonard

Most of the JS1s are B models, 18m only.
All the LS8s are flying with baby wingtips. One D2C flying at 18m.
I like the feel of the 18m D2C full of water, but at high speed it doesn't go like something with flaps.
Jim

Yep, Jim, I was only speaking to the JS1c. One flying 18, one flying 21 meter. The one D2c also appears to be a turbo, so I am guessing he didn't want the really big wing loading hit if there were weak days. There are probably other Turbos that went "span up" for the same reason. And if you had an LS8 with 18 meter tips, I would think you would stick with the 15 meter ones because then you aren't going up against the flapped ships that are a generation or two newer than your plane. Yeah, they are racing against same span flapped wing ships in the "combined to make 15 meter" class, but their real competition is the Standard Class. They are more like me as "score sheet filler" in the 15 meter class. Yes, I see them in 3rd and 4th, but 800 points back.

Sure wish I was there, as it look like the weather has been good! May not see a thermal here in the flatlands of the US for another 2-3 months.

Steve Leonard