Instrument departure, non-IFR airport

On Mar 2, 11:57 am, wrote:

Is this SOP publicly available?


No.

On Mar 2, 12:40 pm, Sam Spade wrote:

You should look at the airport and airspace at issue.


I did.

On Mar 2, 12:42 pm, Sam Spade wrote:

I didn't say that it necessarily does. I can also understand why SoCal
and KRAL tower don't want to do it.-


Why do you believe they don't want to do it?

An IFR clearance can certainly be given to a departure in
Class G that is under or abuts. You can often contact ATC
and get a void time, either over the telephone or by radio
if there is a near-by facility.
The clearance would be something like ...
ATC clears N6662U to enter controlled airspace on heading
270 at 3000 feet. Cleared to the XYZ airport, via . Contact
128.975. Clearance void if not airborne by 1730, time now
1715.


wrote in message
s.com...
| Recently I tried to depart from an non-tower airport that
has no
| instrument approach procedure, and hence no instrument
departure. I
| was told that I could not get a clearance on the ground,
even with
| VIFNO etc., and that I would have to depart VFR and pick
my clearance
| up while airborne. The recommendation made to me by both
TRACON and
| local FSDO for departing IFR with a low ceiling was to get
a special
| VFR clearance into the towered airport 6 miles away [which
has an
| approach and then depart IFR from there.
|
| My question is, if I take responsibility for staying away
from the
| rocks [assume a low ceiling, above the tops of small
hills, but below
| minimum vectoring altitude], shouln't I be able to get a
clearance on
| the ground?
|
| Alan, PP-AMEL-IA
|

On Mar 2, 1:04 pm, wrote:

I just got off the phone with a supe for that sector. She was very
"firm" that there is no SOP and no clearances will be provided.


That's odd, Southern California TRACON Order 7232.2B STANDARD
OPERATING PROCEDURES, dated 2/26/04, is still available through the
FAA Facility Directives Repository.

On Mar 2, 1:19 pm, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:

That's odd, Southern California TRACON Order 7232.2B STANDARD
OPERATING PROCEDURES, dated 2/26/04, is still available through the
FAA Facility Directives Repository.


And it shows the last update was on 1/2/07.

On Mar 2, 1:19 pm, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:

That's odd, Southern California TRACON Order 7232.2B STANDARD
OPERATING PROCEDURES, dated 2/26/04, is still available through the
FAA Facility Directives Repository.


And it shows the last update was on 2/1/07.

On 03/02/07 09:51, Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
On Mar 2, 10:35 am, Mark Hansen wrote:
On 03/02/07 08:04, Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

You asked what he meant and I told you.

Sheeesh.


I didn't ask YOU what he meant. What qualifies you to speak for
someone else?

Sheeeeeesh.



This is a news group. You asked what it meant - I told you.

Get a clue.

"Mark Hansen" wrote in message
...

This is a news group. You asked what it meant - I told you.

Get a clue.


And I gave you some news, so get a clue yourself.

"Sam Spade" wrote in message
...

You would have to ask the TARCON and FSDO the original poster dealt with.


I can only ask you to clarify what you wrote.