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  #221  
Old November 20th 20, 04:38 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
John Galloway[_2_]
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Default Best Overall Motorglider available today?

Leaving aside the grammar squabble, why the hang-up about the best L/D Mr T? Modern competition gliders are designed for good climbing and good inter-thermal cruising performance. If the bit of the polar in between turns out to give a high best L/D figure all well and good, but when should such a glider be flown at best L/D? Hardly ever - and if anyone is hoping that best L/D is maybe going to get them home when a higher MC setting final glide won't then they need to have a good think about the implications and possible consequences of that.

Best motor-glider? As an ex-owner of a JS1C 18/21 I was very keen to get a JS2 but it has taken too long in development, I didn't really want the 21m tips without which it probably wouldn't be very salable, (Oxford comma) and the JS3 and pending JS5 will outgun it in the 18m and Open classes respectively. I am pretty happy with the Ventus 3M.

John Galloway

On Friday, 20 November 2020 at 14:09:22 UTC, Eric Greenwell wrote:
Paul T wrote on 11/19/2020 11:25 PM:
At 12:13 19 November 2020, Paul T wrote:
For all you non-believers and skeptics that did not believe the JS1 had


been measured by the Idafleig at 63:1 please see the latest posting on th

Jonkers website regarding the JS2. Your really not as smart as you thin
you
are.



Apologies, should have said FB page(although the article should also be on

their website)- the article by Segelfleigen magazine on the JS2
acknowledges that Idafleig measured the JS1C at 63:1 as you where
previously informed off, but had to have a massive debate decrying the
fact.
Hopefully some of you have the intellect to read German.

I, like most of the people on this forum, do have the intellect to read German, but not the
training or the motivation. Why not translate crucial paragraph(s) for us?
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  #222  
Old November 20th 20, 05:55 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Jonathan St. Cloud
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Default Best Overall Motorglider available today?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8lBpVfIGX0

On Tuesday, September 15, 2020 at 10:48:13 AM UTC-7, wrote:
Didn't want to hijack the current FES tread so I thought I'd start a new one.
This topic came up over dinner a couple of weeks ago.

When you add all the following into a pot and stir, whats the "Best"
Say for Western Great Basin flying.

I think it may be the Carat, but I don't know much about it.
CX thinks its the DG 800 series, but all I know is since he bought that thing its been a endless battle to keep it running. But it does climb well.

FACTORS

Reliability
Maintenance required to keep it running
XC flyability, performance and control feel
Storability
Rigging
Initial cost
High density climb performance
Range
Cockpit layout and seating
Parts availability
Insurance cost
Landing gear complexity
Overall quality
Nick
T

  #223  
Old November 29th 20, 05:22 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
John Iacobucci
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On Thursday, September 17, 2020 at 11:24:30 AM UTC-4, jfitch wrote:
So, you've owned the Wankel and had problematic maintenance? Or you are guessing? The Wankel is an ICE, it has a fuel system, ignition system, cooling system, and belt drive reduction system as they all do. Maintenance tasks are identical in most respects with any glider ICE. Only if you have to tear the engine down completely will you see the differences (and here the Wankel is somewhat simpler, having 2 moving parts).
On Thursday, September 17, 2020 at 5:51:39 AM UTC-7, John Iacobucci wrote:
One can argue the Wankle is less vibration on the whole, but maintenance for problems would be problematic. Pluses and minuses.


In response to jfitch: not guessing. Have two friends had to send engine to Europe for work. After all the bother of sending it, being in the factory more than a season, they were told to buy a new one. Very expensive. Like I said, my only problem was solved by a local mechanic in two hours. Back to flying same day. Not guessing, just relaying my experience
  #224  
Old December 14th 20, 01:39 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Default Best Overall Motorglider available today?

Back to the op question, is the new AS33ME will be the answer?

https://www.alexander-schleicher.de/...self-launcher/

Ramy

On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 8:22:24 PM UTC-8, John Iacobucci wrote:
On Thursday, September 17, 2020 at 11:24:30 AM UTC-4, jfitch wrote:
So, you've owned the Wankel and had problematic maintenance? Or you are guessing? The Wankel is an ICE, it has a fuel system, ignition system, cooling system, and belt drive reduction system as they all do. Maintenance tasks are identical in most respects with any glider ICE. Only if you have to tear the engine down completely will you see the differences (and here the Wankel is somewhat simpler, having 2 moving parts).
On Thursday, September 17, 2020 at 5:51:39 AM UTC-7, John Iacobucci wrote:
One can argue the Wankle is less vibration on the whole, but maintenance for problems would be problematic. Pluses and minuses.


In response to jfitch: not guessing. Have two friends had to send engine to Europe for work. After all the bother of sending it, being in the factory more than a season, they were told to buy a new one. Very expensive. Like I said, my only problem was solved by a local mechanic in two hours. Back to flying same day. Not guessing, just relaying my experience

  #225  
Old December 14th 20, 01:52 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Default Best Overall Motorglider available today?

I would think the vaunted Jeta would be the obvious answer. I remember
you saying it looked great (on paper), but you were going to wait until
they showed up on the used market. Wait no longer, you can pick one up
on W&W today. A used glider with just zero hours on it! New glider
smell with a used glider price!

https://wingsandwheels.com/classifie...gp15-jeta.html



On 12/13/20 5:39 PM, Ramy wrote:
Back to the op question, is the new AS33ME will be the answer?

https://www.alexander-schleicher.de/...self-launcher/

Ramy

On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 8:22:24 PM UTC-8, John Iacobucci wrote:
On Thursday, September 17, 2020 at 11:24:30 AM UTC-4, jfitch wrote:
So, you've owned the Wankel and had problematic maintenance? Or you are guessing? The Wankel is an ICE, it has a fuel system, ignition system, cooling system, and belt drive reduction system as they all do. Maintenance tasks are identical in most respects with any glider ICE. Only if you have to tear the engine down completely will you see the differences (and here the Wankel is somewhat simpler, having 2 moving parts).
On Thursday, September 17, 2020 at 5:51:39 AM UTC-7, John Iacobucci wrote:
One can argue the Wankle is less vibration on the whole, but maintenance for problems would be problematic. Pluses and minuses.


In response to jfitch: not guessing. Have two friends had to send engine to Europe for work. After all the bother of sending it, being in the factory more than a season, they were told to buy a new one. Very expensive. Like I said, my only problem was solved by a local mechanic in two hours. Back to flying same day. Not guessing, just relaying my experience


  #226  
Old December 14th 20, 03:07 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Mark Mocho
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Default Best Overall Motorglider available today?

Interesting that the GP Jeta advertised on W&W is the first one imported into the country, is going back to the factory for "revisions and upgrades" and is being offered for sale by the dealer who imported it. And it does not appear to have been flown. Wonder if he has ordered another? Or not?
  #227  
Old December 14th 20, 05:26 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Dan Marotta
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On 12/14/20 7:07 AM, Mark Mocho wrote:
Interesting that the GP Jeta advertised on W&W is the first one imported into the country, is going back to the factory for "revisions and upgrades" and is being offered for sale by the dealer who imported it. And it does not appear to have been flown. Wonder if he has ordered another? Or not?


My guess is that it's a clever sales advertisement.

But, if you've got a LOT of money to spend, check out Reiner Stemme's
new Elfin...

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  #228  
Old December 15th 20, 08:49 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Default Best Overall Motorglider available today?

On Monday, 14 December 2020 at 02:39:25 UTC+2, Ramy wrote:
Back to the op question, is the new AS33ME will be the answer?

https://www.alexander-schleicher.de/...self-launcher/

Ramy


Yes.
 




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