Instrument departure, non-IFR airport

I was thinking more along the lines of
a denied IFR clearance being identified as contributing to an accident
specifically because the OP was told to get a special VFR clearance to
Riverside.

As far as I know SVFR cannot be suggested by the controller. It has to
be requested by the pilot.

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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Sam Spade" wrote in message
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That would require it to be TERPsed,


Wrong again.


Please explain why a non-vectored departure with obstacles that is
issued by ATC does not have to be terpsed.

"Sam Spade" wrote in message
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Please explain why a non-vectored departure with obstacles that is issued
by ATC does not have to be terpsed.


Because there is no requirement that it be terpsed.

wrote:

On Mar 3, 4:22 am, Sam Spade wrote:

wrote:


And what if someone crashed trying to scud run to Riverside because an
IFR departure were refused? Wouldn't that get the TRACON manager in
trouble?

Why would it? That makes the pilot sound like a victim.


Victim is taking it a bit far. I was thinking more along the lines of
a denied IFR clearance being identified as contributing to an accident
specifically because the OP was told to get a special VFR clearance to
Riverside. And if you're worried about terrain, usually an IFR
clearance will allow you to climb higher than a special VFR clearance
in Class D airspace.


I can't imagine ATC denying an IFR clearance then issuing a special VFR
clearance unless the pilot requested it.

I think the OP was advised of his options during a discussion about the
issues at Flabob.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

"Sam Spade" wrote in message
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Please explain why a non-vectored departure with obstacles that is issued
by ATC does not have to be terpsed.



Because there is no requirement that it be terpsed.


Sure there is. But, it has to be an IFR airport.

"Sam Spade" wrote in message
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Sure there is.

If there is, it should be a simple matter for you to cite it. Whay don't
you take a shot at establishing a little credibility in this forum and do
so?



But, it has to be an IFR airport.


Well, then there must be a prohibition on issuing IFR clearances at non-IFR
airports. Cite that as well.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Sam Spade" wrote in message
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Sure there is.


If there is, it should be a simple matter for you to cite it. Whay don't
you take a shot at establishing a little credibility in this forum and do
so?



But, it has to be an IFR airport.



Well, then there must be a prohibition on issuing IFR clearances at non-IFR
airports. Cite that as well.


There isn't any as you well know. But, they aren't airports that are
less than a mile from a Class D area and instructions are not issued
that have the appearance of an ODP that leads you to high terrain off
the end of the runway.

"Sam Spade" wrote in message
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There isn't any as you well know. But, they aren't airports that are less
than a mile from a Class D area and instructions are not issued that have
the appearance of an ODP that leads you to high terrain off the end of the
runway.


So a non-vectored departure with obstacles that is issued by ATC does not
have to be terpsed?

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

"Sam Spade" wrote in message
...

There isn't any as you well know. But, they aren't airports that are less
than a mile from a Class D area and instructions are not issued that have
the appearance of an ODP that leads you to high terrain off the end of the
runway.



So a non-vectored departure with obstacles that is issued by ATC does not
have to be terpsed?


Now, you are asking a question that you previously answered.

"Sam Spade" wrote in message
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Now, you are asking a question that you previously answered.


Does your answer now agree with mine?