City controlled airspace?

I stumbled upon the Aircraft and Airports section of the Dallas City Codes
and found a whole new layer of regulations I never knew about.

Here's a good one. As a student, I guess I need to call my instructor
every time I need to start the engine:

SEC. 5-24. ONLY PILOT OR COMPETENT MECHANIC TO RUN ENGINE.
No person shall start or run aircraft engine other than a licensed pilot or
a competent mechanic in the cockpit attending the controls. (Ord. Nos.
8213; 14384)

The middle rings of the DFW class B airspace begin at 2500 and 3000 feet.
This one makes it pretty tough to squeeze in the

SEC. 5-36. FLYING AT LOW ALTITUDE; PERMITS FOR LANDING PLACES.
No person shall fly any aircraft over the city at a lower altitude than
2500 feet from the surface of the earth

Here's a useless one:

SEC. 5-18. TAKE-OFF AND LANDING DIRECTION.
All aircraft take-offs and landings by pilots shall be in the direction
indicated by the airport wind direction indicator unless otherwise
authorized by the airport control tower. (Ord. Nos. 8213; 14384)

I guess you have to trust the force between the hours of 12:00 midnight and
6:00 a.m:

SEC. 5-25. MAINTENANCE RUN-UPS.
No person shall start and run up an aircraft except in a place designated
for such purposes by the director of aviation or one of the director's
assistants, and such activity shall not be conducted at Dallas Love Field
or Dallas Executive Airport between the hours of 12:00 midnight and 6:00
a.m.

--
Dallas

On 4/18/2007 11:34:22 AM, Dallas wrote:

All aircraft take-offs and landings by pilots shall be in the direction
indicated by the airport wind direction indicator unless otherwise
authorized by the airport control tower

What if there is no runway in the direction of the windsock/direction
indicator?

--
Peter

"Dallas" wrote in message
...


I stumbled upon the Aircraft and Airports section of the Dallas City Codes
and found a whole new layer of regulations I never knew about.

Here's a good one. As a student, I guess I need to call my instructor
every time I need to start the engine:

SEC. 5-24. ONLY PILOT OR COMPETENT MECHANIC TO RUN ENGINE.
No person shall start or run aircraft engine other than a licensed pilot
or
a competent mechanic in the cockpit attending the controls. (Ord. Nos.
8213; 14384)

Hmmmm. I only know one 'licensed pilot'. Everyone else I know is
certificated.

You could be a real pain and call the police every time a certificated pilot
operates an aircraft engine.

Hmmmm. I only know one 'licensed pilot'. Everyone else I know is
certificated.

You could be a real pain and call the police every time a certificated pilot
operates an aircraft engine.

Only the FAA would come up with a term like "certificated"... and no offense intended,
but I don't see why people get so bent out of shape about "certificated" vs. "certified"
vs. "licencsed." Doesn't seem to make much of a difference to me.

"Bob Martin" wrote in message
...
Hmmmm. I only know one 'licensed pilot'. Everyone else I know is
certificated.

You could be a real pain and call the police every time a certificated
pilot operates an aircraft engine.

Only the FAA would come up with a term like "certificated"... and no
offense intended, but I don't see why people get so bent out of shape
about "certificated" vs. "certified" vs. "licencsed." Doesn't seem to
make much of a difference to me.

It doesn't make any difference to me, under most circumstances. But when a
municipality oversteps it's bounds, as I feel they have done in this case, I
start looking at other ways they may abuse their power. All it would take is
one cop with an attitude to shut down the airport, because no 'licensed
pilots' were available to operate the engines. What happens when Skylune and
his Stop-The-Noise buddys decide to file a suit to prevent 'illegal'
operations at the airport?

"Steve Foley" wrote

Hmmmm. I only know one 'licensed pilot'. Everyone else I know is
certificated.

Even the FAA is using the terms certificated and licensed interchangeably,
in recent publications, so it is not a cut and dried "no-no" like it used to
be.
--
Jim in NC

On 2007-04-18 08:34:23 -0700, Dallas said:



I stumbled upon the Aircraft and Airports section of the Dallas City Codes
and found a whole new layer of regulations I never knew about.

Here's a good one. As a student, I guess I need to call my instructor
every time I need to start the engine:

SEC. 5-24. ONLY PILOT OR COMPETENT MECHANIC TO RUN ENGINE.
No person shall start or run aircraft engine other than a licensed pilot or
a competent mechanic in the cockpit attending the controls. (Ord. Nos.
8213; 14384)

Many cities have ordinances like that. This is 'gotcha' for people who
hand-prop their planes. You can get a ticket for hand-propping your
plane if no one is in the cockpit attending the controls.

This is not control of airspace. Cities, counties and states all
regulate what you can do on the ground with an airplane. There was a
guy down in Borrego Springs, CA, that got a ticket for landing his
Lancair on a road. The road was deserted and was by his house and he
used to do it all the time, but the sheriff one day decided that hew
was going to something about the unlicensed vehicles on public roads.


The middle rings of the DFW class B airspace begin at 2500 and 3000 feet.
This one makes it pretty tough to squeeze in the

SEC. 5-36. FLYING AT LOW ALTITUDE; PERMITS FOR LANDING PLACES.
No person shall fly any aircraft over the city at a lower altitude than
2500 feet from the surface of the earth

Questionable whether a city can do that, to say the least. But a lot of
them try.


Here's a useless one:

SEC. 5-18. TAKE-OFF AND LANDING DIRECTION.
All aircraft take-offs and landings by pilots shall be in the direction
indicated by the airport wind direction indicator unless otherwise
authorized by the airport control tower. (Ord. Nos. 8213; 14384)

Same here. Arguably federal laws take precedence over city ordinances.


I guess you have to trust the force between the hours of 12:00 midnight and
6:00 a.m:

SEC. 5-25. MAINTENANCE RUN-UPS.
No person shall start and run up an aircraft except in a place designated
for such purposes by the director of aviation or one of the director's
assistants, and such activity shall not be conducted at Dallas Love Field
or Dallas Executive Airport between the hours of 12:00 midnight and 6:00
a.m.

Lots of cities have noise abatement ordinances like this. Seems like
people who are trying to get some sleep don't appreciate it when you
are going WOWwowWOWwowWOWwow with the King Air at 2am.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

C J Campbell wrote:

SEC. 5-24. ONLY PILOT OR COMPETENT MECHANIC TO RUN ENGINE.
No person shall start or run aircraft engine other than a licensed
pilot or
a competent mechanic in the cockpit attending the controls. (Ord. Nos.
8213; 14384)

Many cities have ordinances like that. This is 'gotcha' for people who
hand-prop their planes. You can get a ticket for hand-propping your
plane if no one is in the cockpit attending the controls.

This is not control of airspace. Cities, counties and states all
regulate what you can do on the ground with an airplane.

I don't think it's at all clear.

Federally licensed ham radio operators have been allowed
to erect towers in conflict with local zoning laws for
years. I don't see much of a difference.

C J Campbell wrote:


SEC. 5-36. FLYING AT LOW ALTITUDE; PERMITS FOR LANDING PLACES.
No person shall fly any aircraft over the city at a lower altitude than
2500 feet from the surface of the earth


Questionable whether a city can do that, to say the least. But a lot of
them try.

They absolutely can not.






Here's a useless one:

SEC. 5-18. TAKE-OFF AND LANDING DIRECTION.
All aircraft take-offs and landings by pilots shall be in the direction
indicated by the airport wind direction indicator unless otherwise
authorized by the airport control tower. (Ord. Nos. 8213; 14384)


Same here. Arguably federal laws take precedence over city ordinances.

Federal law prevails here.

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 08:49:32 -0700, C J Campbell wrote:

people who are trying to get some sleep don't appreciate it when you
are going WOWwowWOWwowWOWwow with the King Air at 2am.

Somehow it's not ok to run your engine up, but acceptable to taxi forward
another 50 feet onto the runway and firewall it?

:-)

--
Dallas