A aviation & planes forum. AviationBanter

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Go Back   Home » AviationBanter forum » rec.aviation newsgroups » Soaring
Site Map Home Register Authors List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Web Partners

Pylon mounted wings superior?



 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Prev Previous Post   Next Post Next
  #20  
Old February 11th 14, 11:24 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
J. Nieuwenhuize
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 83
Default Pylon mounted wings superior?

Op zondag 9 februari 2014 06:48:59 UTC+1 schreef Steve Leonard:

But, to get those "1-2 sqm" of turbulent flow converted to laminar, you added almost that much area exposed to the flow. Some of which is still turbulent. Roughly 5 square feet of wing that was "hidden" in the fuselage is now exposed to air flow (2 feet spanwise, 30 inch chord). And, you have added a pylon that is something on the order of 24 to 30 inches tall, and probably more than 30 inches in chord. So, at best, another 5 square feet of wetted area of pylon. Probably more, because aerodynamically, you don't want max pylon width at the same chordwise location as max thickness on the wing.

Even if you can do it with a shorter pylon, it is still going to be difficult to get lower total drag with greater wetted area.

Steve

K




It sure would be difficult, but the odds seem favorable. While you increase wetted area, the drag coefficient of that area (and the original area) goes down by a factor of something like 5 if you can get it laminar.
There are some other details at work; you gain lift, since now the wing is actually lifting (no dip in the spanwise lift distribution anymore), so you can actually shrink the wing area with a significant part of the wetted area increase. The pylon could be rather small, for a modern super-elliptic area distribution (winglets), we now need a root chord of something like 24".. Given the fairly low forces on the pylon (save yaw, groundloop), the pylon could be a lot smaller in chord and thickness.


I don't buy the point about anhedral. Many (ballasted) bigger ships have half of their weight in the wing, so we're talking about a 10" raise of the C of G or so. For many open-class ships, that's the difference between 1 and 1.5 G's (steep thermalling).

Bruce Carmichael seems to be the only one that has seriously pursued the idea of laminar-flow pylon wings. Time to win the lottery and start running a wind tunnel.

Thanks for the link to the BJ5 Clinton. Have been chasing pictures of that design for years.
 




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Cartoons, pt 5 - Superior.jpg (1/1) Mitchell Holman[_3_] Aviation Photos 1 July 30th 09 02:41 PM
Honda Biz Jet With Wing Pylon Mounted Engines ? Robert11 Piloting 6 September 8th 07 08:12 AM
Pylon 8 problem gatt Piloting 8 June 26th 06 11:33 PM
Fin Mounted TE Prob vs fuselage mounted TE prob [email protected] Soaring 8 June 4th 05 11:39 PM
AND THE KIS CRUISER ROUNDS THE PYLON... Paul Folbrecht Home Built 38 January 18th 05 05:29 AM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 06:47 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004-2025 AviationBanter.
The comments are property of their posters.