timing holds

Why would anyone time a hold in this day and age?



"Stan Gosnell" wrote in message
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Uhhh, this ever get answered?

I'm studying Gleim's and I don't get it!

The only way you could be both abeam and over the VOR is if you blew
there in a very strong wind, or you made too much turn. It says, 'abeam
or over', not 'abeam and over'. Don't obsess over details that don't
matter anyway. The only time I would time a hold is on a checkride. In
the real world, the GPS tells you where you are with much more precision
than a clock, and all ATC cares about is that you stay within your
airspace.

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Regards,

Stan

"arthur mcallister" wrote in news:CbrQd.218052
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Why would anyone time a hold in this day and age?

For checkride purposes. That's the only reason I can think of. For my
ATP ride, I had to time the hold and make the inbound leg one minute. In
the real world, I would never bother.

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Regards,

Stan

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." B. Franklin

Why would anyone time a hold in this day and age?

To make sure that it remains part of your habits. One day you'll fly an
airplane without GPS, or the box will go TU, or for any number of
reasons you won't be able to rely on it. Stay in practice and you'll be ok.

Jose

On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:21:32 GMT, Jose
wrote:

Why would anyone time a hold in this day and age?

To make sure that it remains part of your habits. One day you'll fly an
airplane without GPS, or the box will go TU, or for any number of
reasons you won't be able to rely on it. Stay in practice and you'll be ok.

Jose

I have to practice starting a stopwatch?

I have to practice starting a stopwatch?

No, one should practice =remembering= to start a stopwatch.

Jose

Jose wrote:
I have to practice starting a stopwatch?

No, one should practice =remembering= to start a stopwatch.

Actually, with some of the brain-damaged UI's some digital watches
have, you really do need to practice starting it.

I actually prefer a plain sweep second hand clock in the panel (one of
those good-old 8-day windup things work just fine). Glance at the
thing when you start outbound, when the second hand gets back to the
same place, turn inbound. Correct as required for wind.

"Roy Smith" wrote in message
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I actually prefer a plain sweep second hand clock in the panel (one of
those good-old 8-day windup things work just fine). Glance at the
thing when you start outbound, when the second hand gets back to the
same place, turn inbound. Correct as required for wind.

Same here. In our old club PA-28 the clock was never, ever right because the
knob you set it with had long since fallen off. The second hand worked fine,
though, so when you went overhead the beacon you simply remembered what
number the second hand was pointing at and waited for it to point that way
again.

In our current aircraft, the clock is generally right. Same principle holds,
though :-)

D.

"arthur mcallister" wrote in message
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Why would anyone time a hold in this day and age?


June 14, 1998

Pelican's Perch #5:
Don't Time That ILS Approach!

http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182042-1.html


"...if you start a NON-precision approach (including a LOC-only) and fail to
start the timer (or note the time), it's a major boo-boo. Your only recourse
is to immediately go missed and start it over. If you perform an approach
where timing is required, and you do not time it, it's a good bust on a
checkride, for that is compounding an error with stupidity."

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Matt
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Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO