City controlled airspace?

Maxwell writes:

You have never had you hands on anything that flys, yet you state
emphaticly that you are certain.

Yes.

Idots like you are the best possible example of why the licensing
process is so vital to everyone's safety.

It's not as vital as it appears. How many pilots fly without a license, or
without a medical?

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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Maxwell writes:

You have never had you hands on anything that flys, yet you state
emphaticly that you are certain.

Yes.


Exactly, your ignorance and arrogance proves the point. Thank you.

On Apr 22, 9:42 am, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:
"Sylvain" wrote in message

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That is precisely why you do NOT need a license to
fly in USA. You do however need a certificate.

An airman certificate is a license.

Steven, are we just feeling difficult today? the Airmans Certificate
is not a license! That is the whole point...
If it were a license, such as a license to drive, or a license to
drill for oil in the ANWAR, or a license to cut timber on federal
lands, or to mine for uranium, it would give you rights, both
contractual and common law...
However, the Federal Government has chosen from day one, beginning
with the Wright Brothers, to claim itself as the sole owner of the
public airspace and with that Airmans Certificate you are allowed the
privilege of using the airspace, but only as long as the FSDO
inspector chooses - and not one second longer...


denny

Denny writes:

Steven, are we just feeling difficult today? the Airmans Certificate
is not a license! That is the whole point...
If it were a license, such as a license to drive, or a license to
drill for oil in the ANWAR, or a license to cut timber on federal
lands, or to mine for uranium, it would give you rights, both
contractual and common law...

It does. If you have the certificate/license in your hand, you can legally
fly an aircraft. If you don't have the certificate/license, you can't
(legally).

However, the Federal Government has chosen from day one, beginning
with the Wright Brothers, to claim itself as the sole owner of the
public airspace and with that Airmans Certificate you are allowed the
privilege of using the airspace, but only as long as the FSDO
inspector chooses - and not one second longer...

I don't see how that is any worse than having the individual States regulate
it. The national airspace is a lot more fluid than a highway or railway
system, and trying to regulate it on a State-by-State basis would be
problematic, especially at 600 mph.

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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
link.net...

"Steve Foley" wrote in message
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In much the same way that flying VFR over a layer of clouds is VFR on
top,
no matter how much the pack howls.


From the Pilot/Controller Glossary:

The FAA defines the piece of paper in my pocket as a certificate.

The FAA defines flight over a layer by a VFR Aircraft as VFR-OVER-THE-TOP.

The FAA does not define flight over a layer by a VFR aircraft as VFR-ON-TOP

The FAA does not define the piece of paper in my pocket at a license.

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

Dallas writes:

So every citizen of the United States has a license to fly, you're
just not allowed to do it without a certificate?

These sorts of distinctions are specious. A pilot certificate and a
pilot license are both the same thing,

No, they aren't moron.


Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

Maxwell writes:

You have never had you hands on anything that flys, yet you state
emphaticly that you are certain.

Yes.

Idots like you are the best possible example of why the licensing
process is so vital to everyone's safety.

It's not as vital as it appears. How many pilots fly without a
license, or without a medical?

What' sit matter to you? You couldn't fly even if you had one. You
couldn't fly if you had a brasss badge riveted to your ass saying you
were Orville Fjukking Wright.


Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote:

How many pilots fly without a license,
or without a medical?

Pilots flying without a license, this one is easy: none of them (ok,
some might be picky and point out that folks flying with a certificate
issued under 14 CFR 61.75 do indeed need a license in addition to their
certificate, if their country of origin issues one).

as for folks flying without a medical; well, you have all the glider
pilots to boot, and they have been doing that for a long time, no
problem; and pilots with sport pilot certificates. (I don't know about
ultralights pilots but I reckon they don't need one either); To that lot,
you can also add a number of instructors, since a valid medical is not
required to instruct a student who is already certificated.

--Sylvain

Sylvain wrote:


Pilots flying without a license, this one is easy: none of them (ok,
some might be picky and point out that folks flying with a certificate
issued under 14 CFR 61.75 do indeed need a license in addition to their
certificate, if their country of origin issues one).


Ah, what? There's quite a few people out there with no ratings at all
flying airplanes. I know one guy near me with a pretty nice Ercoupe.



as for folks flying without a medical; well, you have all the glider
pilots to boot, and they have been doing that for a long time, no
problem; and pilots with sport pilot certificates. (I don't know about
ultralights pilots but I reckon they don't need one either); To that lot,
you can also add a number of instructors, since a valid medical is not
required to instruct a student who is already certificated.

And the regular pilots who simply choose not to participate in the
system anymore but fly anyways.

Sylvain writes:

Pilots flying without a license, this one is easy: none of them (ok,
some might be picky and point out that folks flying with a certificate
issued under 14 CFR 61.75 do indeed need a license in addition to their
certificate, if their country of origin issues one).

as for folks flying without a medical; well, you have all the glider
pilots to boot, and they have been doing that for a long time, no
problem; and pilots with sport pilot certificates. (I don't know about
ultralights pilots but I reckon they don't need one either); To that lot,
you can also add a number of instructors, since a valid medical is not
required to instruct a student who is already certificated.

Actually, I meant how many pilots are flying illegally (because they lack a
valid license or a current medical, for example)?

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