Loose Bolts Ground V-22 Ospreys; Four Aircraft in Iraq Will NeedFixes

"Matt Wiser" wrote in message
...
As long as it takes. The USMC has a habit of getting its way on
procurement,
so either get on board or get out of the way. Not to mention that it's
been
a number of years since the last crash (the one that had 19 Marines
killed),
and the aircraft has been tested, evaled, and tested again. If you've got
an
alternative aircraft to replace the H-46, let's hear it. If not, follow
the
above advice.



there comes a point when it's obvious the thing doesn't work as advertised.
the V-22 passed that 5 years ago.
the B-29 had no more than normal teething troubles and was soon enough
sorted out.

Then explain its record in Iraq and Afghanistan so far. No combat losses or
crashes in-country. Like I said, if you have an alternative platform to
replace the H-46s, let's hear it. Otherwise, either get on board or get out
of the way.
"Raymond O'Hara" wrote in message
...

"Matt Wiser" wrote in message
...
As long as it takes. The USMC has a habit of getting its way on
procurement,
so either get on board or get out of the way. Not to mention that it's
been
a number of years since the last crash (the one that had 19 Marines
killed),
and the aircraft has been tested, evaled, and tested again. If you've
got
an
alternative aircraft to replace the H-46, let's hear it. If not, follow
the
above advice.



there comes a point when it's obvious the thing doesn't work as
advertised.
the V-22 passed that 5 years ago.
the B-29 had no more than normal teething troubles and was soon enough
sorted out.

Matt Wiser wrote:
Then explain its record in Iraq and Afghanistan so far. No combat losses or
crashes in-country. Like I said, if you have an alternative platform to
replace the H-46s, let's hear it. Otherwise, either get on board or get out
of the way.

doing what kind of operations at what kind of tempo..

last we heard (SMN) it was doing the mail runs.. and running through
their engines at a high rate of knots...

As for alternatives.. any number of proper helicopters... Things that
can carry the same cargo with a third of the power requirements.. And
can fly quite easily with a slung load... (If the V-22 fly with a slung
load you'd be better off using helicopters... they're only any good if
you can fly with internal cargo only.. and even then it gets a bit
cramped....

On Mar 26, 3:58*am, Kerryn Offord wrote:
Matt Wiser wrote:
Then explain its record in Iraq and Afghanistan so far. No combat losses or
crashes in-country. Like I said, if you have an alternative platform to
replace the H-46s, let's hear it. Otherwise, either get on board or get out
of the way.

doing what kind of operations at what kind of tempo..

last we heard (SMN) it was doing the mail runs.. and running through
their engines at a high rate of knots...

As for alternatives.. any number of proper helicopters... Things that
can carry the same cargo with a third of the power requirements.. And
can fly quite easily with a slung load... (If the V-22 fly with a slung
load you'd be better off using helicopters... they're only any good if
you can fly with internal cargo only.. and even then it gets a bit
cramped....

First crash with real troops on board and it gets on the "history"
list. One of the concepts of the V-22 was its ability to switch from
vertical to horizontal. The loose bolts seem to suggest that might not
work every time.

On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 02:56:45 -0700 (PDT), Jack Linthicum
wrote:

On Mar 26, 3:58*am, Kerryn Offord wrote:
Matt Wiser wrote:
Then explain its record in Iraq and Afghanistan so far. No combat losses or
crashes in-country. Like I said, if you have an alternative platform to
replace the H-46s, let's hear it. Otherwise, either get on board or get out
of the way.

doing what kind of operations at what kind of tempo..

last we heard (SMN) it was doing the mail runs.. and running through
their engines at a high rate of knots...

As for alternatives.. any number of proper helicopters... Things that
can carry the same cargo with a third of the power requirements.. And
can fly quite easily with a slung load... (If the V-22 fly with a slung
load you'd be better off using helicopters... they're only any good if
you can fly with internal cargo only.. and even then it gets a bit
cramped....

First crash with real troops on board and it gets on the "history"
list. One of the concepts of the V-22 was its ability to switch from
vertical to horizontal. The loose bolts seem to suggest that might not
work every time.

April 8, 2000


Peter Skelton

On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 02:21:41 -0400, "Raymond O'Hara"
wrote:


"Matt Wiser" wrote in message
...
As long as it takes. The USMC has a habit of getting its way on
procurement,
so either get on board or get out of the way. Not to mention that it's
been
a number of years since the last crash (the one that had 19 Marines
killed),
and the aircraft has been tested, evaled, and tested again. If you've got
an
alternative aircraft to replace the H-46, let's hear it. If not, follow
the
above advice.



there comes a point when it's obvious the thing doesn't work as advertised.
the V-22 passed that 5 years ago.
the B-29 had no more than normal teething troubles and was soon enough
sorted out.

The development of the B-29 was long, expensive and difficult for
the time. There was a direct and urgent need that made it worth
the trouble. Under similar pressure the V-22 might have worked
two decades ago.


Peter Skelton